National So ATF won't come knocking on our doors?

[Flopsweat]

But is it really an "either / or" situation?

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I didn't stipulate either/or. I wish they had done everything they could.

 

[wired]

It wasn't really oddly supported - Republicans weren't conservatives at that time and guns weren't considered particularly conservative or Republican. Nixon was not pro gun.

A good question is why Republican's introduce pro gun legislation during periods when it can't pass and don't do it when they have the House, Senate and President.

Johnson signed the GCA not Nixon

 

[RX-79G]

Johnson signed the GCA not Nixon

Of course. I was answering why Republicans also voted for it. Anti-gun control didn't become a thing until the late '70s.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

The 68 GCA was oddly supported and would have gotten through without Johnsons arm twisting

I have always heard (but can't confirm) that strong lobbying by American gun manufacture's was instrumental in its passing. The reason given was that the import market was killing their sales and if GCA '68 hadn't passed most of them would have been bankrupt by the mid '70's

 

[wired]

I have always heard (but can't confirm) that strong lobbying by American gun manufacture's was instrumental in its passing. The reason given was that the import market was killing their sales and if GCA '68 hadn't passed most of them would have been bankrupt by the mid '70's

Same as the 89 import ban then

 

[Flopsweat]

Same as the 89 import ban then

Thanks to Obama's ban there is finally 7.62 x 39 made in the US that you can actually buy, not just read about. It's a lot more expensive though.

 

[wired]

Thanks to Obama's ban there is finally 7.62 x 39 made in the US that you can actually buy, not just read about. It's a lot more expensive though.

What did Obama ban?

 

[RX-79G]

A bill to repeal the GCA was proposed in 1983. By a Democrat.

 

[RX-79G]

What did Obama ban?

Obama signed two laws: One that allowed guns to be carried in National Parks again (undid Reagan's law) and one that allows guns in checked baggage on Amtrak. They had been banned after 9/11.

 

[Flopsweat]

What did Obama ban?

Importation of Russian made ammunition.

 

[wired]

Importation of Russian made ammunition.

That was 2021 under Biden. There was something before that right? And the VEPR/Saiga ban too.

 

[Flopsweat]

That was 2021 under Biden.

Oh, that's right, I got it mixed up. Obama banned importing AKs and AK parts from Russia and tried to ban green-tip ammo. Well they're both aholes.

 

[Olderguy]

Looks like ATF handled it very well, as did the subject of contact.

 

[JanKitchel]

One of my favorite law partners (a tax lawyer) once said that when purported law enforcement comes to your door, listen to what they have to say, but look very carefully at what they have in their hands, but don't say anything back. What they are carrying is very important. Warrant? Firearm? Handcuffs?

 

[FnM]

Well, they might if it involves an 89 year old machinegun law.

I don't know why people act surprised when they buy products that skirt the law and it doesn't last forever.

I don't why why people aren't surprised that Al Capone, Bonnie, and Clyde served to justify legal precedent for 89 years and yet here we are.

 

[wired]

I don't why why people aren't surprised that Al Capone, Bonnie, and Clyde served to justify legal precedent for 89 years and yet here we are.

It was more Edward G Robinson. There was a perception of violent crime because it was popular in the cinema

 

[Olderguy]

Sorry to disagree with so many, as i know ATF has a bad taste in many mouths and my one and only personal experience with them was less than impressive but that was just a phone call many many years ago. These two appeared respectful and professional (IMHO). The point that they were carrying guns by some was crazy- they are law enforcement, they arrest people. The young man was discreet but appeared to have a gun under his shirt in an abdominal carry and his "BUG" on his left ankle, so his carry was less apparent.

 

[slimmer13]

I only skimmed this thread but I didn't see anyone mention the recent EPA slap down by the SCOTUS and how it seems to feel about bureaucratic "rulemaking".

Also, it should be mentioned that Obama's ATF, not Trump's layed the groundwork for regulatory overreach by nearly banning SS109.

 

[wired]

I only skimmed this thread but I didn't see anyone mention the recent EPA slap down by the SCOTUS and how it seems to feel about bureaucratic "rulemaking".

Also, it should be mentioned that Obama's ATF, not Trump's layed the groundwork for regulatory overreach by nearly banning SS109.

I wouldn't read too much into that EPA ruling. Its ONE ruling that may be more specific just to that case than you think. Obama tried with SS109 , realized it wouldnt fly in court and dropped it. Trump didnt care if it flew in court.

 

[Flopsweat]

I only skimmed this thread but I didn't see anyone mention the recent EPA slap down by the SCOTUS and how it seems to feel about bureaucratic "rulemaking".

Also, it should be mentioned that Obama's ATF, not Trump's layed the groundwork for regulatory overreach by nearly banning SS109.

That was Bruen. Still waiting for some traction on that.