That is an unfortunate thing. If only we could hold the Marxists accountable.
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Oregon SB 348 gutted and stuffed to rewrite Measure 114 3/34/23
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Read it but don't LAUGH
04.07.2023
As expected, the clearly unconstitutional HB 2005, with the -11 amendment passed out of the Ways and Means Committee today on a party line vote. (Even the lawyer who wrote the bill told the committee that it's likely much of the bill is unconstitutional.)
The bill will NOT be considered by a senate committee, something that was pointed out by Republicans on Ways and Means. So the Senate will not get to consider the policies in the bill, though they still will be voting on it.
This bill bans young adults from possessing modern firearms and prohibits licensed concealed carry in as-of-yet undefined areas across the state.
The bill will also effectively turn all AR-15 rifles into contraband. There are no exceptions for previously owned rifles or law enforcement.
This is because of the new definition of "receiver" that was crafted by the drafter of the bill. And here it is:
"Receiver" means the part of a rifle, shotgun or projectile weapon other than a handgun, or a variant of a rifle, shotgun or projectile weapon other than a handgun, that provides housing or a structure for the primary component designed to block or seal the breech prior to initiation of the firing sequence, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect the component to the housing or structure.
While this is an attempt to copy the more recent federal definition, it does not recognize any exceptions. And obviously, this is NOT a description of an AR-15 lower, which has always been the regulated part.
Under this definition, previously unregulated uppers will be required to have serial numbers. It's not clear how the many thousands of these rifles currently in the possession of Oregonians can comply.
Given that many distributors have stopped shipping magazines to Oregon because of their fears of Mz 114, it's hard to imagine that any will continue to ship AR's or AR uppers to Oregon once this becomes law.
This issue was briefly mentioned in the committee by House Rep Rick Lewis and was promptly ignored.
We do NOT recommend you watch this hearing when the video recording is uploaded. You will lose what little faith you have in humanity. But we can point out some low lights.
Anti-gun activist Sara Gelser noted how happy she was when "they" (meaning her daughter) was unarmed while being robbed at gun point. (Not a misprint.)
She also noted that people under 21 who were involved in mass shootings are not mentally ill, just not properly developed. And therefore they lack the maturity to own modern firearms. Senator Findley pointed out the apparent incongruity for Gelser's strong support for children's rights to have sex changes without their parent's consent. For that decision, apparently, 15 year olds are well equipped.
Senator Lew Fredrick emotionally decried that deaths of so many of the kids in his inner city district and the funerals he had to attend, somehow neglecting to mention that the kids who were being killed in his district were being killed by kids in his district. A peculiar oversight.
More disturbing, but not surprising, was his comments about not wanting to hear about the "constitution," that pesky document he took an oath to uphold.
The implications of this bill are staggering. It's unknown how it will be enforced or how gun owners and dealers will deal with the new regulations which clearly, the people who wrote the bill do not understand.
What is clear is this. If the Republicans are on the floor when this bill is voted on in either house, they will have effectively voted "yes" simply by being there and all the comments and remonstrances against the bill will be pointless fluff.
Thousands and thousands of Oregonians are going to lose basic rights under this insanity. The Republicans can stop it.
04.07.2023
As expected, the clearly unconstitutional HB 2005, with the -11 amendment passed out of the Ways and Means Committee today on a party line vote. (Even the lawyer who wrote the bill told the committee that it's likely much of the bill is unconstitutional.)
The bill will NOT be considered by a senate committee, something that was pointed out by Republicans on Ways and Means. So the Senate will not get to consider the policies in the bill, though they still will be voting on it.
This bill bans young adults from possessing modern firearms and prohibits licensed concealed carry in as-of-yet undefined areas across the state.
The bill will also effectively turn all AR-15 rifles into contraband. There are no exceptions for previously owned rifles or law enforcement.
This is because of the new definition of "receiver" that was crafted by the drafter of the bill. And here it is:
"Receiver" means the part of a rifle, shotgun or projectile weapon other than a handgun, or a variant of a rifle, shotgun or projectile weapon other than a handgun, that provides housing or a structure for the primary component designed to block or seal the breech prior to initiation of the firing sequence, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect the component to the housing or structure.
While this is an attempt to copy the more recent federal definition, it does not recognize any exceptions. And obviously, this is NOT a description of an AR-15 lower, which has always been the regulated part.
Under this definition, previously unregulated uppers will be required to have serial numbers. It's not clear how the many thousands of these rifles currently in the possession of Oregonians can comply.
Given that many distributors have stopped shipping magazines to Oregon because of their fears of Mz 114, it's hard to imagine that any will continue to ship AR's or AR uppers to Oregon once this becomes law.
This issue was briefly mentioned in the committee by House Rep Rick Lewis and was promptly ignored.
We do NOT recommend you watch this hearing when the video recording is uploaded. You will lose what little faith you have in humanity. But we can point out some low lights.
Anti-gun activist Sara Gelser noted how happy she was when "they" (meaning her daughter) was unarmed while being robbed at gun point. (Not a misprint.)
She also noted that people under 21 who were involved in mass shootings are not mentally ill, just not properly developed. And therefore they lack the maturity to own modern firearms. Senator Findley pointed out the apparent incongruity for Gelser's strong support for children's rights to have sex changes without their parent's consent. For that decision, apparently, 15 year olds are well equipped.
Senator Lew Fredrick emotionally decried that deaths of so many of the kids in his inner city district and the funerals he had to attend, somehow neglecting to mention that the kids who were being killed in his district were being killed by kids in his district. A peculiar oversight.
More disturbing, but not surprising, was his comments about not wanting to hear about the "constitution," that pesky document he took an oath to uphold.
The implications of this bill are staggering. It's unknown how it will be enforced or how gun owners and dealers will deal with the new regulations which clearly, the people who wrote the bill do not understand.
What is clear is this. If the Republicans are on the floor when this bill is voted on in either house, they will have effectively voted "yes" simply by being there and all the comments and remonstrances against the bill will be pointless fluff.
Thousands and thousands of Oregonians are going to lose basic rights under this insanity. The Republicans can stop it.
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LOL. *Nobody* is going to serialize an upper receiver... These people can F right off.
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Except that those that sell firearms for a living will be forced out of business. We won't even be able to buy online since there won't be anyone willing to sell to an Oregon address.
I have been wondering if 348's "rescinding 114" element might not be more about attempting to block the imminent depositions of OSP for Raschio's trial than about trying to implement the magazine ban or other gun control elements sooner.
I try to avoid conspiracy theories, but I suspect the State doesn't want their secrets revealed under oath.
I try to avoid conspiracy theories, but I suspect the State doesn't want their secrets revealed under oath.
Yeah. The broad brush slur of "woke" for anything you don't agree with is Fox News bat bubblegum crazy.Yeah. I sometimes forget... if you're "woke"... rules and consequences don't apply.
My bad.
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Careful there with the epitaphs denigrating a group of folks, that's NOT how you make friends and influence people here, let alone earn any respect for your opinions!
Accusing any one here of being WOKE because you disagree is a big BIG mistake!
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I don't believe it really has anything to do with integrity or testimony under oath. The lawyer for the AG purposely lied to Judge Immergut in federal court about the permitting system being ready in two weeks back in December. They don't mind telling any story they want, regardless of reality. It's about winning at any cost. But yes, HB2005 and SB348 & SB393 have everything to do with bypassing Judge Raschio's TRO.
and these new things make 114 look well written and tame by comparison
I don't watch fox news so wouldn't know, but me.... saying "woke" as a descriptor for those 3 politicians is just because it's a lot easier than saying, "deep blue democrat ken's and karen screaming anti 2A slogans over a bullhorn for more tyrannical action infringing on citizens rights"... are exempt from rules and consequences.
Better??
My fingers will get tired typing that out every time. I think I'll stick with "woke".
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I don't watch fox news so wouldn't know, but me.... saying "woke" as a descriptor for those 3 politicians is just because it's a lot easier than saying, "deep blue democrat ken's and karen screaming anti 2A slogans over a bullhorn for more tyrannical action infringing on citizens rights"... are exempt from rules and consequences.
Better??
My fingers get will get tired typing that out every time. I think I'll stick with "woke".
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What the heck, these people are bonkers. You would think an AR upper could be made to fire a round without a lower attached. That's crazy talk.
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I tried to tell people this when they said "I won't comply!".....good for you, don't. But nobody is going to sell to you, so either way they win.
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And with 2005a you won't even be able to make your own
. Its a win win win ... I have emailed my rep and senator even with them being conservative they ignored the message when in the past on different matters I at least get a reply. They aren't going to walk out and we can expect court fights for 3-5 years as injunctions are unlikely.
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Read a little of HB2005 and it sounds really bad for anyone who owns a rifle that has a lower & upper, only one of which is serialized, and any 80% frames/receivers that are not serialized from the factory. That covers a LOT of firearms, especially ARs.
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And with 2005a you won't even be able to make your own
This is what happens when Soccer Moms move into your neighborhood.
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