Russia attacks Ukraine! WW3 imminent?

[The Heretic]

Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’

www.theguardian.com

 

[arakboss]

Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’

www.theguardian.com

Unless..

Russian nuclear submarine armed with 'doomsday' weapon disappears from Arctic harbor: report

Russia's Belgorod nuclear submarine is no longer operating in the Arctic. NATO has warned its member countries that Putin may be testing the vessel's "doomsday" weapon.

www.foxnews.com

 

[rjmt]

Unless..

Russian nuclear submarine armed with 'doomsday' weapon disappears from Arctic harbor: report

Russia's Belgorod nuclear submarine is no longer operating in the Arctic. NATO has warned its member countries that Putin may be testing the vessel's "doomsday" weapon.

www.foxnews.com

and for every Russian boomer, there is an American attack sub right behind it
this is a new class of Russian missile sub, you can be sure the American Navy is tracking it closely

 

[rjmt]

and for every Russian boomer, there is an American attack sub right behind it
this is a new class of Russian missile sub, you can be sure the American Navy is tracking it closely

the Belgorod is a modified Oscar II, an old design and not that stealthy at all
being over 600' long, shouldn't be to hard to track and not that maneuverable

Russia's Gigantic Submarine, Belgorod, Sails For The First Time - Naval News

Belgorod will bring new capabilities to the Russian Navy. To be operated on behalf of the secretive Main Directorate of Undersea Research (GUGI), the submarine may be central to Russia's intelligence gathering capabilities. Yet she also carries a new strategic weapon, known as Poseidon.

www.navalnews.com

 

[rjmt]

Vladimir Putin's Kremlin admits to being unsure of the boundaries of the territory in Ukraine it has claimed

and it gets smaller by the day

 

[monkeybutler]

… like Vladdie is in that movie Snatch…

"You're shrinking. And your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got 'Replica' written down the side of your guns...and the fact that I've got Desert Eagle, point-five-oh written on the side of mine"

 

[rjmt]

Ukraine tanks break through Russian Defenses in South near Kherson
Russia says Ukrainian tanks were in overwhelming numbers
what Russia did not say is that these are former Russian tanks they left behind

Ukraine tank breakthrough in south towards Kherson

Russian officials say Ukrainian armour has made advances in the south and east.

www.bbc.com

 

[wired]

 

[monkeybutler]

I llove the mischaracterization of NATO expansion and those missles in Poland. It's like he is trying to undermine himself. Meh, doesn't matter. I suppose his typical audience just enjoys the feeling that they are in the know about things, like, you know, the real truth about everything.

 

[rjmt]

Elements of the 144th Motorized Rifle Division of the 20th Combined Arms Army reportedly withdrew from Lyman to rear positions near Kreminna before October 2. Russian sources previously reported that elements of the Russian Airborne Forces (VDV), especially the 76th Guards Air Assault Division, are active in Kherson Oblast. Both the 144th Motorized Rifle Division and the 76th Guards Air Assault Division were previously lauded as some of Russia's most elite forces, and their apparent failures to hold territory against major Ukrainian counter-offensive actions is consistent with ISW's previous assessment that even the most elite Russian military forces are becoming increasingly degraded as the war continues. This phenomenon was also visible in the collapse of the 4th Tank Division of the 1st Guards Tank Army earlier in the Kharkiv counter-offensive.

 

[rjmt]

I guess he forgot about the '60s and '70s

 

[CountryGent]

From The Hill: Ukraine capital preparing evacuation centers for possible nuclear strike

 

[wired]

I guess he forgot about the '60s and '70s

He was pretty spot on.

 

[Provincial]

He was pretty spot on.

Just like Americans before December 7, 1941. Fearful, selfish, and niave.

Germany annexes Austria, March 12, 1938. "That is all he wants."

Germany invades Czechoslovakia, March 15, 1939. By agreeing to this, we will "have peace in our time."

How well did that work out?

While he brings up issues (that may or may not be true), the bottom line is that once the threat of using nuclear weapons has been seen as a viable option for dictators, it will be impossible to stop.

If he thinks Boris Johnson trying to channel Neville Chamberlain was a good thing, it shows that he is not much of a student of history. I grew up surrounded by people who had seen first hand the result of backing down to aggression.

Not only that, but he assumes that the Johnson plan would have been accepted by both sides! In my experience, once the offer is seen as acceptable, the aggressor ups the demands.

None of the above addresses how things got to this point. It only addresses where we go from here.

The options:
Brinksmanship
Smart, effective diplomacy
Muddling through
Kicking the can down the road by compromising, leading to:

Eventual expansion of totalitarian (Authoritarian) dictatorships until they duke it out with nukes and take us all with them.

 

[wired]

Just like Americans before December 7, 1941. Fearful, selfish, and niave.

Germany annexes Austria, March 12, 1938. "That is all he wants."

Germany invades Czechoslovakia, March 15, 1939. By agreeing to this, we will "have peace in our time."

How well did that work out?

While he brings up issues (that may or may not be true), the bottom line is that once the threat of using nuclear weapons has been seen as a viable option for dictators, it will be impossible to stop.

If he thinks Boris Johnson trying to channel Neville Chamberlain was a good thing, it shows that he is not much of a student of history. I grew up surrounded by people who had seen first hand the result of backing down to aggression.

Not only that, but he assumes that the Johnson plan would have been accepted by both sides! In my experience, once the offer is seen as acceptable, the aggressor ups the demands.

None of the above addresses how things got to this point. It only addresses where we go from here.

The options:
Brinksmanship
Smart, effective diplomacy
Muddling through
Kicking the can down the road by compromising, leading to:

Eventual expansion of totalitarian (Authoritarian) dictatorships until they duke it out with nukes and take us all with them.

Yes , that is a opinion.

 

[rjmt]

the Budapest Referendum
in 1994, Ukraine agreed to dismantle their Nuclear weapons
The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

no matter what Putin says, Ukraine territories are not part of Russia
Putin has violated every article of the referendum and is now threatening the use of Nuclear weapons in violation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons
Alina Frolova said during a press conference that in occupied Crimea, there are all signs of the deployment of Russian tactical nuclear weapons.

Russia Restores Infrastructure for Nuclear Weapons in Crimea - Technology Org

According to Alina Frolova, general director of the Center for Defense Strategies, the Russian army has sent a special unit to the Crimean peninsula. This

www.technology.org

 

[slimmer13]

 

[Certaindeaf]

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That's funny because you sympathize with Russia.









Lol

 

[slimmer13]

That's funny because you sympathize with Russia.









Lol

You may be confusing pragmatism with sympathy

 

[arakboss]

Is a nuke blast built into market valuation and oil price?