Repeal I-1639 petitions, early results

[hatchj]

So my GF just told me the repeal came up short on the numbers.....

They arent turned in yet....? I think they dont count till the 3rd or something?

 

[spookshack]

Dan over at Sporting Systems posted a lengthy update on Facebook. I don't do Facebook much anymore but maybe someone here can track it down over there? There was around 158k signatures turned in.....

 

[NW Backpacker]

Dan over at Sporting Systems posted a lengthy update on Facebook. I don't do Facebook much anymore but maybe someone here can track it down over there? There was around 158k signatures turned in.....

Here is the FB post. Numbers near the bottom - scroll down:
I don't do FB, but I can read it.

https://www.facebook.com/dmsportingsystems/posts/2794779137250313

 

[Alexx1401]

So my GF just told me the repeal came up short on the numbers.....

Well if we can't get enough gun owners to even sign the damn thing I guess we know we have no shot at getting enough of them to bother to vote then. Soon we should have CA gun laws here and the people who could not be bothered will of course scream and complain after its too late.

 

[Diamondback]

Well if we can't get enough gun owners to even sign the damn thing I guess we know we have no shot at getting enough of them to bother to vote then. Soon we should have CA gun laws here and the people who could not be bothered will of course scream and complain after its too late.

Maybe we should just cut to the chase and draft an initiative dissolving the state of Washington and annexing it to California, with all offices and duties transferred to their existing CA counterparts. Get it all over with.

Thinking here is to force a "time for choosing," make this state's go on record choosing between "California or Not California". A nine- or ten-pointer on the San Andreas can't come soon enough...

 

[Boss]

Well if we can't get enough gun owners to even sign the damn thing I guess we know we have no shot at getting enough of them to bother to vote then. Soon we should have CA gun laws here and the people who could not be bothered will of course scream and complain after its too late.

Ummm, y'all do realize there was only 9 WEEKS, instead of the 9 MONTHS that should have been allotted, for a number of reasons, right?. The number of signatures gathered strictly by volunteers in that short of time was highly commendable. Had they had another 6-8 weeks, this would likely have easily reached the required number.

Legislators/folks paying attention will be aware the GC crowd got very, very lucky due to technicalities that signature gathering came up short this time.

Many folks got educated, and what was gathered can be used in positive ways moving forward.

There is also now a good blue print for future efforts. Not completely familiar with the official process, but what's to prevent the 2A side from simply updating the 1094 application and resubmitting on the first available date, and having the full amount of time to collect the signatures? As well as other initiatives?

Yes, came up short this time, and while admittedly disappointing, it was hardly a complete waste.

Boss

 

[Diamondback]

So here's the deal... we need to take 2020 to plan, draft more initiatives and get ready to stuff the 2021 ballot. As soon as some idiot drafts a bill in Olympia and has it get reported out of committee, we start writing the repeal initiative, updating our text as they update theirs.

Start throwing counterpunches and taking the offensive, for once.

 

[waglockfan]

Ummm, y'all do realize there was only 9 WEEKS, instead of the 9 MONTHS that should have been allotted, for a number of reasons, right?. The number of signatures gathered strictly by volunteers in that short of time was highly commendable. Had they had another 6-8 weeks, this would likely have easily reached the required number.

Legislators/folks paying attention will be aware the GC crowd got very, very lucky due to technicalities that signature gathering came up short this time.

Many folks got educated, and what was gathered can be used in positive ways moving forward.

There is also now a good blue print for future efforts. Not completely familiar with the official process, but what's to prevent the 2A side from simply updating the 1094 application and resubmitting on the first available date, and having the full amount of time to collect the signatures? As well as other initiatives?

Yes, came up short this time, and while admittedly disappointing, it was hardly a complete waste.

Boss

Why were we only given 9 weeks?

Is there some law that mandates 9 months for an initiative process?

If so, maybe the results are void, and we should be allowed another 7 months to gather signatures.

 

[Diamondback]

Why were we only given 9 weeks?

Is there some law that mandates 9 months for an initiative process?

If so, maybe the results are void, and we should be allowed another 7 months to gather signatures.

Sounds like more electoral malfeasance from Spineless RINO Wyman... which suggests a two-stage strategy. First go for a damaging high-dollar lawsuit, then file a Recall stressing "her malfeasance, tried and proven in court, has brought an unacceptable cost to the taxpayers...

Do you Urban Liberals want more Matt Sheas? Because this is exactly how you GET people like Matt Shea... you stomp on people long enough they enlist ANYONE who will fight for them no matter how unsavory.

 

[Boss]

Why were we only given 9 weeks?

Is there some law that mandates 9 months for an initiative process?

If so, maybe the results are void, and we should be allowed another 7 months to gather signatures.

As read elsewhere, there are apparently two types of initiatives - one to the legislature, and one to the people. The former has a signature gathering window from March - December, the latter January - October.

1094 was an initiative to the legislature, so the opportunity to gather signature could have been roughly March -December, however it sounds through a number of events, such as missed deadlines, delays, missteps with the signature sheets, etc. everything didn't finally approved and up/rolling until late October.

(If someone else knows better than above, please feel free to chime in/correct).

Remember, this is all grassroots (ie. people on their own personal time) and no big $$ support...so first time is going to be a 'learning curve.' Hopefully, next time around, most of the stumbles won't occur again and it will be much smoother/more effective/efficient.

Boss

 

[Basedgreaser]

So now that we know we can gain some traction in a small window, we can use that to learn from the mistakes and build more momentum the next go around correct?
Thats what i got from the post

 

[Diamondback]

So now that we know we can gain some traction in a small window, we can use that to learn from the mistakes and build more momentum the next go around correct?
Thats what i got from the post

We also need to have lawyers on standby so when Rumored Child Molester Bob Ferguson tries to stonewall we can get it shutdown in court quick.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Thank you all who worked tirelessly on this grassroots effort, this has been an awakening among us freedom loving Americans that we cannot rely on any Orgs to do our bidding.

We need a deep pockets conservative sugar daddy preferably with a reputable media outlet.
That's the only way we can fight these rabid anti-gun Zealots!!!

The ballot box has failed
The soap box has failed
Many here may not like it but the only remaining option is the cartridge box.
I suggest the tar and feathers option as well!!!

 

[waglockfan]

Thank you all who worked tirelessly on this grassroots effort, this has been an awakening among us freedom loving Americans that we cannot rely on any Orgs to do our bidding.

We need a deep pockets conservative sugar daddy preferably with a reputable media outlet.
That's the only way we can fight these rabid anti-gun Zealots!!!

The ballot box has failed
The soap box has failed
Many here may not like it but the only remaining option is the cartridge box.
I suggest the tar and feathers option as well!!!

Hence the reason they want us disarmed.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Hence the reason they want us disarmed.

Exactly, these elite people are in fact the same as the British back in the 1700's!!!
I'll bet they don't want to re-create what happened when those fools wanted confiscation of arms.

 

[bentoncity]

This is lengthy but I'm asking everyone to read it and 'then' comment if you so desire.
I've already heard the, "I ain't reading a damn book bullbubblegum." so if you don't like the post or content, then please just ignore it and keep your snide comments to yourself. I'm seeking solutions to a problem we ALL have and need constructive help. Any and all 'constructive' ideas are welcome.

My .02$ worth is we need to amend/add to the RCW's to "PREVENT" ANY person/business/corp/pac/??? from funding/sponsoring/advertising/supporting ANY initiative or paying signature gatherers that's not by an exclusive grass roots funded cause. You damn well better believe out of state & billionaire funding is on the way. If you don't believe that, you're missing some ..... cells. Take their money out of the equation and they don't have bubblegum because they utterly LACK a grass roots effort.

We all know Wyman or Ferguson 'could' have stopped 1639 on a legal basis but refused to. (If I had the funds, I'd be going after both of them in court.)

If we can get a new law passed to STOP any and all out of state funding and LIMIT the dollars for in state contributions by anyone/pac/business/etc, then perhaps we can prevent anymore of these 1639 BS bills from being on the ballots?

Perhaps something NEW like this below?

Dan

Initiatives are under Chapter 29A.72 RCW
AN ACT Relating to creating and funding citizen's initiatives.
Adding new sections to chapter 29A.72 RCW; creating new sections; prescribing penalties; and providing effective dates.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF WASHINGTON:

NEW SECTION.

Sec.1. INTENT.

Initiatives are inherently designed to benefit the citizens of Washington State. When the Legislature fails to provide legal and lawful safety standards for the citizens, the citizens have the legal recourse to address this legislative failure through the initiative process. Just as the elected Legislature has the right to create and pass laws, the citizens of Washington State also retain this right.

In order to prevent non-resident person, persons, and/or outside organizations and special interest groups to promote and fund initiatives that are not desired, nor supported by a grass roots effort by the legal residents and voters of Washington State, Washington State residents and registered voters demand the right to be the sole source in promoting, funding or seeking any citizen sponsored initiative.

Washington State residents and voters posses sufficient knowledge and expertise to know what's good for themselves without relying on outside entities promoting and buying new laws that benefit those same outside interests because said entities, public or private, have unlimited funding to essentially buy a new law that benefits those same outside entities yet provides no benefits to the states residents.

Therefore, to increase public safety for all Washingtonians, this measure would, among other things: Define who may fund a citizens sponsored initiative, place limits on where funding for said initiatives may be derived from and the amount of funding by any single individual or entity. Define signature gatherers and provide for penalties on signature gathering.

NEW SECTION.
Sec.2.
SHORT TITLE.
This act may be known and cited as the Citizens Public Initiative Act.

Sec.3.
REGISTERED VOTER AND RESIDENT DEFINED.
A registered voter and lawful resident of Washington State shall meet one or more of the following requirements in order to be qualified to submit an initiative to the State under RCW chapter 29A.72;

Maintains a residence in Washington for personal use

Lives in a motor home or vessel which is not permanently attached to any property if the person previously lived in this state and does not have a permanent residence in any other state

Is registered to vote in this state

Receives benefits under one of Washington's public assistance programs

Has a state professional or business license in this state and is actively and currently engaged in said profession or business continuously for the 4 preceding years.

Is attending school in this state and paying tuition as a Washington resident

Uses a Washington State address for federal or state taxes

Has a Washington State driver's license or Washington State identification card.

Sec.4.

CITIZEN SPONSORED INITIATIVES.

Any Washington State legally registered voter or resident of Washington State, as defined under Sec. 3, may create an initiative and submit it to the proper agencies to be placed on the ballot as prescribed by laws under Chapter 29A.72 RCW; STATE INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM

Any and all citizen sponsored initiatives must be sponsored by a current registered voter and resident in and of Washington State as defined per Sec. 3.

Sec.5.

DRAFTING OF ANY CITIZEN CREATED OR SPONSORED INITIATIVE. Any Washington State legally registered voter and resident of Washington State, creating an initiative for submission to the State per chapter 29A.72 RCW, must be by any of the following;

A Washington State registered voter

A lawful Washington State resident

Companies or LLC's that have a legal and lawful business presence in Washington State for the previous 5 years

The company or LLC's must have filed and reported state taxes in the state for the same period of time.

The company or LLC's may not and shall not be a shell company.

The company or LLC's must be licensed to do business in the State of Washington and said license must be current.

The company or LLC's must be registered with the State of Washington.

The company or LLC's must possess a UBI number.

The company must be able to show a profit for the past sequential four (4) years.

The company or LLC's must be insured to do business in the State of Washington and said insurance must be current.

Sec.6.

FUNDING OF INITIATIVES.

Any and all funding of any Washington State initiative shall be only from Washington State registered voters, current residents and businesses that are properly licensed to conduct business in the State of Washington under Section 5 subsection 3, I. through VII. No in state political action committees, political parties, organization(s), out of state businesses, out of state political action committees, out of state political parties, out of state organizations or out of state individuals may contribute any funds in any form or manner.

SEC.7.

Funding Limits

Any Washington State registered voter, current resident, and businesses that are properly and currently licensed to conduct business in the State of Washington under Section 5 subsection 3, I. through VII. may contribute funds to an initiative in amounts not to exceed as described below for any single initiative.

Each individual Washington State registered voter, or current resident, may contribute up to and including one-thousand dollars per initiative.

Each individual Washington State registered voter, or current resident, may contribute to different numbered initiatives for the same one-thousand dollars amount.

No Washington State registered voter, or current resident, may contribute more than once to a given initiative.

Each Washington State licensed business or LLC may contribute up to and including five-thousand dollars per initiative provided the business meets the defined conditions in Section 5 subsection 3, I. through VII.

Each Washington State licensed business or LLC may contribute up to and including five-thousand dollars to different numbered initiatives for the same five-thousand dollars amount.

No Washington State licensed business or LLC may contribute more than once to a given initiative.

SEC.8.

Signature Gathering and penalties

All initiative petitions must be presented to the public by a Washington State registered voter or current resident as defined under Section 3, I through VII.

Non-residents of Washington State are prohibited from gathering signatures, seeking or soliciting persons to sign initiative petitions.

It shall be a gross misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than ninety days, or by both such fine and imprisonment is a misdemeanor for any non- resident signature gatherer attempting or actively seeking to get petitions signed under RCW 9.20.010, sec 2.

No initiative petition signature gatherers may be compensated in any manner or form.

It shall be a gross misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in a county jail for not more than ninety days, or by both such fine and imprisonment is a misdemeanor under RCW 9.20.010,sec 2.for any initiative petition signature gatherer to accept any form of compensation.

Any person, persons, companies and or LLC's offering to pay or compensate initiative petition signature gatherers shall be guilty of a class A felony by imprisonment in a state correctional institution for a maximum term fixed by the court of not less than twenty years, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of not more than fifty thousand dollars, or by both such imprisonment and fine;

Sec.9.

This act takes effect July 1, 2020.

Sec.10.

If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid or preempted by federal law, the remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances is not affected.

 

[Diamondback]

Your Penalties section needs a little copy-editing, but I'd sign that. One question: is that cap $1000 per sponsor per initiative, or $1000 per sponsor total across however many initiatives they sponsor?

Of course we know WA Supreme Court, Pizz Be Upon Them, will strike it down, but it's worth a try and it sends a message...

 

[Caveman Jim]

I like it, clear and concise!!!
What I would like added is that no initiative will contain any subject that would impair or infringe on any of our state or federal constitutional rights.

 

[Diamondback]

I like it, clear and concise!!!
What I would like added is that no initiative will contain any subject that would impair or infringe on any of our state or federal constitutional rights.

"One Subject Rule"... but that would be a good follow-up.

 

[NW Backpacker]

REGISTERED VOTER AND RESIDENT DEFINED.
A registered voter and lawful resident of Washington State shall meet one or more of the following requirements in order to be qualified to submit an initiative to the State under RCW chapter 29A.72;

Maintains a residence in Washington for personal use

Lives in a motor home or vessel which is not permanently attached to any property if the person previously lived in this state and does not have a permanent residence in any other state

Might want to include a minimum time provision to be a resident - 6 months perhaps.

What I would like added is that no initiative will contain any subject that would impair or infringe on any of our state or federal constitutional rights.

Exactly. Should have that as a stand-alone initiative. Should also have one that does not allow state law to infringe on federal constitutional rights. Better yet, that should be a federal law covering all states.