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The house is doing pretty good, the senate not so much. "The People" elected Uncle Festerman, I guess they are going to have find another Easter Bunny.
Democrats goal in any election is to just get a Democrat in the office, then remove them and put who they really want in the seat. Oregon taught them how to do that with Kate Brown, throw out the governor voted for and put in a flunky they could control. Fettermans fits the profile and he won't have the seat long.
 
So I know the answer but how does the requirements for a CHL in Oregon not also cover this stupid measures requirement? Sure the training was not Aquired from law enforcement. But then I also own a bunch of firearms and have now for 51 years.
 
Republicans eliminated Democrats three-fifths supermajority in the Oregon Senate by flipping at least one net seat in Tuesday's election, meaning Democrats will no longer be able to strong arm votes on new taxes through on straight party-line votes.
Hopefully this also means they won't be able to pass new gun control laws on straight party-line votes.

 
So I know the answer but how does the requirements for a CHL in Oregon not also cover this stupid measures requirement? Sure the training was not Aquired from law enforcement. But then I also own a bunch of firearms and have now for 51 years.
Actually, that training class could cover the new PTP training, but depends on the actual content (and decisions on what actually meets the listed content)

(8) As used in this section, "proof of completion of a firearm safety course" means the following:
(a) Proof of completion of any firearms training course or class available to the general public that is offered by law enforcement, a community college, or a private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by a law enforcement agency, and that includes the components set forth in paragraph (c) of this subsection; or

(b) Proof of completion of any law enforcement firearms training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, reserve law enforcement officers, or any other law enforcement officers, and that includes the components set forth in paragraph (c) of this subsection;

(c) A firearms training course or class required for issuance of a permit-to-purchase must include:
(A) Review of federal and state laws in place at the time of the class and other safe practices related to ownership, purchase, transfer, use and transportation of firearms;
(B) Review of federal and state safe storage laws in place at the time of the class and other safe practices related to safe storage, including reporting lost and stolen guns;
(C) Prevention of abuse or misuse of firearms, including the impact of homicide and suicide on families, communities and the country as a whole; and
(D) In-person demonstration of the applicant's ability to lock, load, unload, fire and store a firearm before an instructor certified by a law enforcement agency. This requirement may be met separately from the other course requirements in subpargagraphs (A), (B) and (C) of paragraph (c), which may be completed in an on-line course, provided the on-line course has been conducted by a trainer certified by law enforcement.

(d) Proof of successful completion of a training course in order to meet the requirements for a concealed handgun license issued under ORS 166.291 and 166.292 may be submitted for a permit as a substitute for the requirements in paragraph (c) of this subsection, provided the completed course included each of the components set forth in paragraph (c) of this subsection.
Yes, "subpargagraphs" is in the text of the measure.
 
Actually, that training class could cover the new PTP training, but depends on the actual content (and decisions on what actually meets the listed content)


Yes, "subpargagraphs" is in the text of the measure.
Well the training course did include live fire from a certified instructor. But then it was back in 1991 when I first got my permit.
 
Well the training course did include live fire from a certified instructor. But then it was back in 1991 when I first got my permit.
So did mine in 2020. But the content listed in 114 has a number of woke-isms probably of no concern in pre-existing gun classes.

The new-fangled PTP are supposed to have a lifetime of 5 years; nothing in 114 addresses such training before 114 exists/existed, so validity?
 
Socialists are winning in Oregon. Wonder how much vote padding has already taken place.
They don't need to pad. They have tallying machines that run on Windows NT, a 20 year old dead OS, to output whatever they want. The machines are not open to public inspection or analysis. Another interesting fact is that you can track your vote thru the Secretary's office, but you can't see how it was applied.
 

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