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Ditto this.I'll joke about saving money, and most reloaders will laugh about how you don't save money, you just shoot more, but the actual reality is that if I didn't reload I could not afford to shoot as much as I do. That's a fact. I enjoy it and it is my hobby, but the bottom line is yes, it does save me money.
Many reload for this reason and a LOT more.get into reloading as an extension of your interest in firearms and the desire to get the best performance out of them or variations of performance and specialized loadings you can NOT get unless by reloading.
'Spent' $5000? If you are referring to equipment I haven't spent $500 in 40 + years on equipment. Most reloading equipment is more or less a lifetime investment.So if you spent $5000 turning out ammo
No I do NOT stockpile ammo ('like most folks') and most of the reloaders I know don't either - we stockpile COMPONENTS.Are you not stockpiling ammo cans full of ammo, like most folks? What happens if you are 5 years into stocking ammo and you have a kaboom from a load?
Points above are all good and valid. None of them pertain to "yup it's way lower cost."
Hobby, enjoyment, spending time with kids, developing loads - fantastic.
But "saving money" is invalid. The entire point of the thread. If the thread were "reasons I enjoy reloading" then sure. It's not. It's about it being cheaper to shoot, which is an ECONOMIC argument, and fails to factor time. NO economic argument is valid if a key input (time) is omitted.
As to "not caring" if the ammo has economic value; I highly doubt that. Being obtuse about the point of "spending $5000" to make ammo to purposefully miss the point doesn't fare well. Where is your powder, new brass (can't use indefinitely, and there's costs to buying or salvaging brass), bullets, and primers coming from? Are you not stockpiling ammo cans full of ammo, like most folks? What happens if you are 5 years into stocking ammo and you have a kaboom from a load? ALL that prior ammo needs to be pulled or thrown out. Conversely, a factory that discovers a recall will reimburse you for the ammo which has a LOT number... I could go on, but the point is made. ANY stockpile of ammo, regardless of your "magical free inputs" is worthless to others, and not worth salvage costs, and would need to be pulled if errors in loads found.
Carry on with the discussion, but you're delusioned if you think it's economically cheaper if you have an ability to earn a good wage.
I've never understood why some people feel the need to deliberately offend others, in the quest to show their own superiority and make some kind of point. I just don't get it.
The absolute provable, demonstrable fact is that yes, sometimes you CAN save money by reloading, even when you consider your time and investment. I'm not going to even bother debating point by point because at this point it's absurd, and I've already wasted too much time responding to something like this. This is a silly thing to argue over. You won't win this one. You can't, because you are demonstrably wrong, and it's not hard to prove it. All the what-ifs and ya-buts in the world won't change that. If you had said that there are no economic saving when all things all considered for "many reloaders" or even "most reloaders", I would gladly concede your point, but to impugn all reloaders as stupid, dishonest, or delusioned for claiming savings is ridiculous.
You don't want to reload, I get that. You think reloaders are stupid for wasting their time, I get that. You make lots of money and buy all your ammo, I get that. You're really into warranties and stockpiling and your ammo "investment", I get that. Why you come on a thread like this with such a condescending tone and start throwing insults at the foolish little reloaders? I don't get it.
As I did along with many others.I just picked up a speer book and read the directions the equipment came with and started reloading.
I have never heard of a class for reloading but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Your best bet would to find a family member or a friend/acquaintance to help you get started. You could put out some feelers here as well and you may find someone in your area to help. If we were not so far apart, I could help you out. Baring that every decent load manual has a primer section on how to load and that is how I learned originally.Thread drift: are there any places in Pierce County that reach reloading? I'd like to reload a few oddball cartridges.
Neither have I and no one I know who reloads has either.and I've never had a 'kaboom'
Douglas ridge rifle club puts one on occasionally.I have never heard of a class for reloading but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Your best bet would to find a family member or a friend/acquaintance to help you get started. You could put out some feelers here as well and you may find someone in your area to help. If we were not so far apart, I could help you out. Baring that every decent load manual has a primer section on how to load and that is how I learned originally.
Points above are all good and valid. None of them pertain to "yup it's way lower cost."
Hobby, enjoyment, spending time with kids, developing loads - fantastic.
But "saving money" is invalid. The entire point of the thread. If the thread were "reasons I enjoy reloading" then sure. It's not. It's about it being cheaper to shoot, which is an ECONOMIC argument, and fails to factor time. NO economic argument is valid if a key input (time) is omitted.
As to "not caring" if the ammo has economic value; I highly doubt that. Being obtuse about the point of "spending $5000" to make ammo to purposefully miss the point doesn't fare well. Where is your powder, new brass (can't use indefinitely, and there's costs to buying or salvaging brass), bullets, and primers coming from? Are you not stockpiling ammo cans full of ammo, like most folks? What happens if you are 5 years into stocking ammo and you have a kaboom from a load? ALL that prior ammo needs to be pulled or thrown out. Conversely, a factory that discovers a recall will reimburse you for the ammo which has a LOT number... I could go on, but the point is made. ANY stockpile of ammo, regardless of your "magical free inputs" is worthless to others, and not worth salvage costs, and would need to be pulled if errors in loads found.
Carry on with the discussion, but you're delusioned if you think it's economically cheaper if you have an ability to earn a good wage.
Ah, the false economy of reloading. I get a laugh every time. Reloaders conveniently never factor the equipment, storage space, learning curves, setup, time, voided gun warranties, and the cost of the "kabooms" that are more common with reloads and almost never with factory ammo (and factory ammo companies or the gun companies will replace the gun). [Reloaders never have "kabooms" yet nearly every "kaboom" story shared on the internet involves a reload.]
And then there's the known false economy of taking valuable components (time, primers, brass, powder, and bullet) and using expensive equipment to churn out items of ZERO economic resale value. Nobody smart will shoot or buy someone's reloads. So if you spent $5000 turning out ammo, and have a huge hoard of ammo, but fall on hard economic times, you will be unable to sell it at any price. Conversely, if someone has the same amount of factory ammo, he can sell it for basically market price and it might appreciate over time. I bought thousands of rounds of various ammo a decade or two ago, and they have doubled in value. The same is not true for the reloader.
If it's your "hobby" then fine. Stop pretending you're 'saving money' because if you are employable, you likely are not saving money sitting at a reloading press.
I've done the math. Honest reloaders will tell you they don't save money; they just enjoy it.
I guess if you remove the "time value of money" then I can shoot for free. I just work a bunch (not factored of course) then buy the ammo with my earned wages (not factored) and it's magically free from the time I worked and wages I earned.
Heck, pretty much everything in life is free if you don't factor your time. Fishing, walking across country instead of flying, farming is free, working is free, driving is free... it's a stupid thing to state, yet reloaders never manage to factor their time.