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Quit using the "R" word!!!
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In WA you are not required to register any firearm from a private sale.
Close, for all Title 1 firearms you are correct.
All NFA (Title 2 firearms) have to be registered and properly transferred even private sales.
(4) All FFLs shall retain each Form 4473 and 4473(LV) for a period not less than 20 years from
the date of sale or disposition of the firearms. Forms 4473 obtained by FFLs where the NICS
check was initiated, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm was not completed must be
retained for a period of not less than 5 years.199
That is what I was told the last time I bought a new gun at the gun shop, but I guess they were wrong.
What's your source of information ? I have cited ATF for you, the agency that dictates these rules.
That is why I agreed with you, and said they were wrong, ( they being gun shop ).
Oh, I misunderstood you. See, the rule only sets the minimum retention time, but there is no maximum. So if a gun store wanted
to keep the records longer, they could.
Well true, but since WA doesn't allow most NFA items, and the ones that are grandfathered in are small in number, I figured those people already know what they need to do.
OK, how about. " In WA you are not required to register any firearm from a private sale, except for title 2 "
The seller and I are both in WA.
The scenario I'm nervous about is say I take the AR-15 I bought from a private seller to the gun range and it's in my car, the cop sees the case and wants to run the serial number. If it comes back obviously not me, am I ok? Or do I need to carry the bill of sell around with it? ha
So are all guns not registered in WA, unless you specially ask it to be from an FFL dealer or are having to ship it to one?
Last I heard it is now they have to keep them for good.
Actually there is in WA, the DOL keeps a central data base only for FFL sales or transfers, I can't remember if it was just handguns or all guns.
oh, so if a cop runs it, it doesnt show the owner? got it! So helpful. So why do people even bother with FFl? just if they are worried if it gets stolen?
Actually there is in WA, the DOL keeps a central data base only for FFL sales or transfers, I can't remember if it was just handguns or all guns.
They might keep records but will maintain that it is not a "Registry". It might fulfill the very function of what you and I might consider a registry to be. However it is not a registry because it is not called a registry. It might look like a tiger and walk like a tiger but it's not a tiger because 'they' don't want it to be a tiger. Call it what you will but it is still there. Clear as mud, eh?
It is only be a record of last buyer though an FFL. The second a private sale takes place the record is no good.
With registration ANY transfer of the firearm would be tracked and the current owner would have to have the paperwork (like registration for your car) in order to prove it was legal. So it does not look like a tiger, or walk like a tiger, but some people want to call it a tiger but it is only an over fed tabby cat.
**Records of Twenty years for Reciept and Disposition, and even if you go out of business they must be retained, then discarded after twenty..
** Actually there is in WA, the DOL keeps a central data base only for FFL sales or transfers, I can't remember if it was just handguns or all guns.