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Real "Operators" Using the 1911

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by RedneckRampage, Mar 25, 2015.

  1. RedneckRampage

    RedneckRampage Newberg Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking, and wondering if real world operators (SWAT, Special Forces, ect.) actually still use 1911s? I love 1911s, don't get me wrong, but it seems that in a gun fight, there are better options with way more capacity. I see all the advertisements for railed guns with guys dressed up shooting them, but I doubt they are actual operators. So, do they or don't they? Where are you getting your basis for your answers?
     
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    Gun Mechanic Portland Active Member

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  3. Schwabdl

    Schwabdl Hillsboro Active Member

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    FBI HRT is using Springfield professionals. Many swat teams still use 1911. Marine corps is going back to the 1911. Also many special operations guys that get to pick there load out still carry 1911's into battle. Several of the big firearms schools still preach the 1911 as the fighting handgun to have such as gunsite and thunder ranch

    Handgun capacity isn't the biggest concern as most people going into a gunfight bring a carbine.
     
  4. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    I've never been in a gun fight, but I think I would prefer an airstrike to any sidearm or long gun that has ever been available, or better yet just not be involved in any gun fight:):D:rolleyes:
     
  5. Classic

    Classic Federal Way WA Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember reading something a couple years ago about LA swat using Kimber 1911's and I couldn't help but think "A MIMBER??? I was surprised that they didn't go with Colt...................
     
  6. No_Regerts

    No_Regerts United States Well-Known Member

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    I know a bunch of SWAT guys in SW WA who were using modified Kimber TLEs and Gold Combats.
     
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  7. Vanillagerrilla

    Vanillagerrilla Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    ...in a gunfight, the best gun in the world is the one in your hand...
     
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  8. 156256Hunter

    156256Hunter Fairview-ish Active Member

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    I love 1911s, but the trigger guard is pretty small and could present issues in certain circumstances. For example, when I hunt I wear a backup pistol, and am sometimes wearing gloves, so I carry something with a slightly larger trigger guard.

    And here's what Ken Hackathorn had said regarding his help in assisting HK develop the HK45:

    "Ken: We also talked about, most people in the special operations community wear flight gloves. The pistol has to be dimensionally designed so you can shoot it competently with gloves and manipulate it while wearing gloves. So for example, the size of the trigger guard and all the controls had to be designed so that when wearing gloves you would not be struggling to manipulate the gun… drop the slide, decock or engage the safety, drop the mag, it all had to be glove compatible." http://pistol-training.com/articles/hk45-interview-with-ken-hackathorn-and-larry-vickers
     
  9. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    I can verify this. Granted I was already out when Colt got the new contract, but I have used 1911s that were built by PWS at Quantico and I had a good friend who was stationed at the PWS. In my case, it was optional for each platoon if they wanted to carry 1911s or M9s and our PL hated the M9.
     
  10. No_Regerts

    No_Regerts United States Well-Known Member

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    Seems like after 114 years and all of the updates made on beavertails, hammers, frames, sights, bushings, bull barrels, etc, if the trigger guard size was an issue, they would have made it bigger.
     
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  11. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    "Real" operators are using all kinds of handguns, but the 1911 style in .45 ACP is not chief among them. Problems reported among them are that parts require fitting with tools that are not available in austere environments, weight and reduced ammunition capacity.

    If I was to carry a backup handgun while kicking in doors in bad places, it would be a modern defensive pistol with a micro red dot sight, high ammunition capacity and made of lightweight materials in a caliber that I could easily resupply wherever I was at.

    In fact, that sounds familiar. Hmmm..:s0153:
     
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  12. BlindedByScience

    BlindedByScience Vancouver WA Well-Known Member

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    The 'real' guys have tremendous flexibility and can carry pretty much what they want. I have it on good authority that there are a lot of 1911's and a surprising number of G21's and H&K's out there in service.

    Edited to add - just spoke to someone on the phone that is in the know here, and he says there are three pistols that are used to qualify for MARSOC; the Beretta M9, the new Colt 1911 .45, and the Glock 17. Now, MARSOC operators can carry whatever they want. He said you'll see SIG's, FN's, and H&K's He said a surprising number of guys carry the full size FN pistol as it comes from the factory with a slide cut for a red dot, and carries 15+1 rounds of .45. They could care less about concealment, just reliability and being able to hit the target. Interesting.....

    This one:

    http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/handguns/fnx-series/fnx-45-tactical/
     
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  13. 156256Hunter

    156256Hunter Fairview-ish Active Member

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    True, although I think the original 1911 design had a shorter trigger than a lot of the ones produced today.
     
  14. No_Regerts

    No_Regerts United States Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like a recipe for a crew served handgun a la Mk23!
     
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  15. Vierings

    Vierings Tacoma Member

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    Tacoma PD carries the Kimber Pro Carry, or has the option to at least.
     
  16. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    A guy I worked at the gun store with was reading an article about how the Marines had catastrophic failures with the Kimbers and chose the Springfield instead.
    So my guess is some 'operators' are ,in fact, using 1911s.
    The newer 1911s are very accurate and reliable as far as the ones I have had.Easy to use and ,for me,point very natural.
    I wouldn't use one for my go to battle gun,because of the 8 round mags. This is even though I shoot them better than most any handgun I have had.
    Now If you think about it,the handgun is the back up gun,not their primary weapon,so as back up to an M4,why not?
     
  17. Spooler41

    Spooler41 Port Angeles ,Wash. Member

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    IMHO, it takes three 9mm shots to equal one .45 auto , so that may imply that 8 rounds of.45 auto
    is ,in terms of fire power, equal to 24 rounds of 9mm. I think I'll stick with my 1911 8 round .45.

    .......................... Jack
     
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    SectionChief New Member

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    Now that is a computation that just makes no real world sense.
     
  19. oli700

    oli700 Rogue Valley Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes I wish I never discovered the Internet
     
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  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Lol. In actual fact the .45, .357 Sig, 9mm and .40 are 1/1.. meaning the same.
     
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