- Messages
- 6,244
- Reactions
- 7,104
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Okay, I like the referral to the governor as "it"! Very appropriate... You get a double thumbs up for that one!I can say with certainty that a CHL-CHL deal occurred today .3 miles from the State Capitol at the very time the "Governor" was in it's meeting to try to enact more "common sense" gun regulations.
I heard this,anyway.
Since i come from a land (CA) that has been doing the PPT (private party transfer) for quite some time i'll fill you in on what i've seen/experienced/common practice.
When a PPT is completed, the FFL has a form that records the buyers and sellers info. It is not a federal form, it varies from FFL to FFL. Some FFL's have both the seller and buyer fill their form out while others type it up on their computer. 90% of the time they hand both parties copies of it unless you don't want it. i have many of these sitting in my safe from previous guns i've purchased or sold while in CA.
Don't be alarmed. If anything...this is a safeguard for you. If for some reason the FFL didn't file the 4473 properly then at least you have a record of the transaction in case "something" happens.
Since i come from a land (CA) that has been doing the PPT (private party transfer) for quite some time i'll fill you in on what i've seen/experienced/common practice.
When a PPT is completed, the FFL has a form that records the buyers and sellers info. It is not a federal form, it varies from FFL to FFL. Some FFL's have both the seller and buyer fill their form out while others type it up on their computer. 90% of the time they hand both parties copies of it unless you don't want it. i have many of these sitting in my safe from previous guns i've purchased or sold while in CA.
Don't be alarmed. If anything...this is a safeguard for you. If for some reason the FFL didn't file the 4473 properly then at least you have a record of the transaction in case "something" happens.
The only required "filing" of a completed 1443 by an FFL is in the FFL's files. The form is not sent anywhere. But - if requested by AFT as part of a gun tracing the FFL must then provide a copy to ATF showing the recipient of the item. The FFL must keep the 1443s in his files for 20 years or until they cease doing business. After 20 years the files may be destroyed, if the business ceases the forms must be turned over to ATF.
and I've got a pretty strong hunch I know why..... and yes, the added business of recording the name and ID of the seller is overreach. They are setting the stage for the Bloomgurg Registration system. And that can ONLY work if all "disposals" are recorded. The plan is that eventually every acquisition will come from a known source, and thus every gun so acquired will be in the database. Thus they will, after about four hundred years, have a complete list of all guns in the state and who owns them and where they are. Bloomie would love to have it so.Rain and thunder. After sb 941 OFF notified that beyond the scope of SB 941 BOTH the private buyer and seller are now listed with the state as different from the buyer only. The seller of record goes beyond the scope of SB 941 so I am informed but the state dems wanted to have the seller of record in addition to the buyer of record. That way the state gathers a list of who owns guns both the sellers and buyers. It is my understanding that the state having a record of the seller is beyond the scope of sb 941--thereby taking liberties not authorized by the legislature. Sorry, just what I have read. It is my understanding that the compliance with SB 941 for private seller to private buyer are accounting for a very few of the transactions on a monthly basis.
Close, but not quite right.
First, the form is #4473, not 1443.
Second:
All FFLs shall retain each Form 4473 and 4473(LV) for a period not less than 20 years from the date of sale or disposition of the firearms. Forms 4473 obtained by FFLs where the NICS check was initiated, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm was not completed must be retained for a period of not less than 5 years.1
Licensees are also required to retain the ATF Form 3310.4, Multiple Sales or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, as well as ATF Form 3310.11, Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report, for a period of not less than 5 years.200
Retention of the records relating to transactions in semi-automatic assault weapons must be retained for a period not less 5 years
https://www.atf.gov/file/58176/download
-----
Finally, the data that goes into the NICS/FICS/etc. used for background checks, includes the serial number, make, model and type of firearm. That data is supposedly "deleted" from computer systems after a set period of time (5 years?), but if you believe that then I have some land I want to sell you in a little place in Florida called the Okefenokee.
Me thinks they need to head back to the south side of KENYA, where they belong....