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Be curious how this plays out. Right now it looks like nobody knows for sure.
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....and even better to consult an attorney knowledgable in this area of the law.
That is something I hadn't thought of. I was fairly certain I was right, I really just like to plan against my own ignorance, as well as that of others.
The property owner can CC carry on his/her personal and private property? Yes? Without a CC permit? Yes? Inside you home would be an example. Outside on your private personal property another example. But I do not know if an associate or employee can also CC carry without a CC permit with permission of the owner. Grey area?
Also if you have imaginary or real deal concerns about another employee then perhaps this all should be addressed by other means. I had a MD Doc appointment this afternoon. I had to disarm myself to go inside the doctors office building. They had that silly stupid free kill zone sign. The ladies in the front office are all known to me.
When I asked them about the free kill zone they got instantly mad and very hostile. I had to change the subject fast. Strange how they went from zero to pissed so quick. One nice lady said that in Cave Junction everybody carries only not inside the Doctors office. Made no sense to me but there you have it. The Doc hunts Elk. No guns inside..
The guys at OFF would know your needful answers.
Is it legal for someone to carry a concealed handgun without a permit if they are indoors at their office/place of business?
Long story short: I have a permit, my wife does not, there is an individual at her workplace that she has serious concerns about and she is considering carrying when she is by herself in the office.
She is the HR manager of her company, so the only person who could fire her is either herself or the owner, who is seldom there and who is pro-gun. So her concern is legality, not company policy.Private?
If so, check your HR policies. If in a private building, there could be a second set of requirements to comply with. Example an office tower -
Federal? School? Post Office?
Help her take an on-line course over the weekend, and get a permit application started next week.
Long story short: she is actually the HR manager of the company. The employee in question has approached, but not reached, the threshold of behavior that would justify terminating him.At post 25 now on this thread and I still don't understand what the big issue is on her just getting the permit. Who cares about the niceties of who owns what property...she is obviously finding herself in a threatening situation on a daily basis. She needs answers now. If her employer HR can't / won't help for some reason, get her to be proactive, but have her start there to document the problem {no mentioning guns obviously}
From what I have read, the situation she finds herself in is screaming for her to go through the couple hours of training. If for no other reason, just to give her a competent understanding of liability and the dynamics of using defensive deadly force, which she is apparently fearing for some reason. Have her go through the training at your CHL issuing Sheriffs Office. She can probably get in a few hypothetical "what if" answers from the LEO{s} doing the instruction.
The property owner can CC carry on his/her personal and private property? Yes? Without a CC permit? Yes? Inside you home would be an example. Outside on your private personal property another example. But I do not know if an associate or employee can also CC carry without a CC permit with permission of the owner. Grey area?
Also if you have imaginary or real deal concerns about another employee then perhaps this all should be addressed by other means. I had a MD Doc appointment this afternoon. I had to disarm myself to go inside the doctors office building. They had that silly stupid free kill zone sign. The ladies in the front office are all known to me.
When I asked them about the free kill zone they got instantly mad and very hostile. I had to change the subject fast. Strange how they went from zero to pissed so quick. One nice lady said that in Cave Junction everybody carries only not inside the Doctors office. Made no sense to me but there you have it. The Doc hunts Elk. No guns inside..
The guys at OFF would know your needful answers.
Long story short... So I was hoping to avoid putting her thru a live-fire course if possible.
I could be wrong, but I think you have to be the owner of the company to carry concealed at work without a permit..
Possession Concealment Oregon law regulates the manner in which a firearm or handgun may be possessed. It is a crime to carry a concealed firearm upon one's person or possess a handgun that is concealed and readily accessible in a vehicle in Oregon without a concealed handgun permit. This prohibition does not apply to a person who is in their own residence or their own place of business.
She is the HR manager of her company, so the only person who could fire her is either herself or the owner, who is seldom there and who is pro-gun. So her concern is legality, not company policy.
You mentioned an on line course. When I got my Oregon permit in 1997, it was a class I took in person at a gun range with live fire qualification. Has that changed? Is it possible to do everything online now?
she is phobic of guns. ...
and that I carry, but gets severe anxiety at the sight and sound of a gun ...
Live-fire practice at a range would be traumatic for her
For the most part I would tend agree with you.Having a firearm for self defense, and not routinely practicing is, well not the most intelligent thing one can do.
Having a firearm for self defense, NEVER practicing? How is that likely to end up?
a. unjustified shooting.
b. taken and used against her.
c. frozen and never drawn, when she should have.
OP, you know this, so I'm not understanding why you are supporting her on it & asking on here!
So no, it's a bad idea for her to carry without getting a CHL, not only that it's a felony. Have her take a women's class. With other women. A non live fire class, which is no longer required anyways.
She needs the range time though.
Or she shouldn't carry.
For the most part I would tend agree with you.
I have serious concerns about her relying on a gun for protection given her lack of training. And I have shared those concerns with her.
But in the end the decision is hers to make not mine. She is an adult with no criminal history and the same 2nd Amendment rights as the rest of us.
At least we are talking about it. And she is at least expressing a willingness to go to the range, which was not there before.
Given her history with guns, that in itself is admirable. This is a process which will require a lot of baby steps...
Long story short: she is actually the HR manager of the company. The employee in question has approached, but not reached, the threshold of behavior that would justify terminating him.