One in 3 US veteran firearm owners keeps a gun loaded and unlocked

[CrankyGuy]

Making sure Violent felons and habitual Sexual Perverts cavalierly released from Prison can not legally obtain firearms is not a bad preemptive action on a constitutional right (2A/RTKBA)

If you wanna cherry pick junk that works for your argument it's no argument at all. That's just the affirmative in a statement that makes you look right. Who's gonna say they support those kind of people having guns? Preemptive would be we suspect someone is those kind of criminals and we take away their rights, if they've been convicted that's after the fact action.

 

[CrankyGuy]

What joke? And what expense?

Did you not convey the belief if something which can be used to kill oneself is harder to abtain then it reduces the suicide rate?

Or is your complaint that a belt doesn't fit your narrative??

You're not being clever or funny, and pretty sure mods aren't gonna rule in your favor.

 

[Gator Monroe]

If you wanna cherry pick junk that works for your argument it's no argument at all. That's just the affirmative in a statement that makes you look right. Who's gonna say they support those kind of people having guns? Preemptive would be we suspect someone is those kind of criminals and we take away their rights, if they've been convicted that's after the fact action.

2A/RTKBA purists say its OK for Violent Felons (As long as they are on the street) and Illegals of all stripes (Including radical Islamist Border Jumpers & active duty Iranians) and Visa Overstayers and even Serial Pedos in treatment outside of the prison system and yes in some cases Folks under serious psychiatric care like some of the Military types in this thread .

 

[titsonritz]

What good is an unloaded, locked up firearm?

Pretty worthless in my book.

Not everyone pulls 'em out of the safe to take pictures to post on Facebook

 

[CrankyGuy]

2A/RTKBA purists say its OK for Violent Felons (As long as they are on the street) and Illegals of all stripes (Including radical Islamist Border Jumpers & active duty Iranians) and Visa Overstayers and even Serial Pedos in treatment outside of the prison system and yes in some cases Folks under serious psychiatric care like some of the Military types in this thread .

I guess. I don't tend to speak for others.

 

[KKG]

I get what you're trying to say, but you're simplifying it to the point that it doesn't make sense.

You're entitled to your opinion. I know what I have seen.

 

[Gator Monroe]

An "unloaded locked up firearm " is usually deemed a Tool by it's owner , I consider Firearms more than just tools .

 

[11Charlie]

Lets remember the rules gentlemen.

 

[Jonnyuma]

Check
Check
Aaaand Check.

Funny... I don't feel endangered. I feel pretty safe, actually.

Obviously I'm doing it wrong

 

[Kruel J]

So is the point to this entire thread that we should have safe storage laws in place to protect our veterans?

I can't tell from all the other rambling BS.

 

[Martini_Up]

4 questions and zero answers. It seems you're not comfortable leaving your safe space. It's ok. I'm not mean nor violent. They're just questions and won't hurt you, though they may challenge you. Perhaps the challenging questions are hard for you and hard feels bad and you think bad is, well, bad. It's ok. Bad is where growth can happen. Or just ignore the questions and go forward believing you're always right and anything that doesn't agree with you is adversarial and to be avoided.

All just opinions of course. Well, apart from you not engaging the questions. That's a fact

 

[CrankyGuy]

4 questions and zero answers. It seems you're not comfortable leaving your safe space. It's ok. I'm not mean nor violent. They're just questions and won't hurt you, though they may challenge you. Perhaps the challenging questions are hard for you and hard feels bad and you think bad is, well, bad. It's ok. Bad is where growth can happen. Or just ignore the questions and go forward believing you're always right and anything that doesn't agree with you is adversarial and to be avoided.

All just opinions of course. Well, apart from you not engaging the questions. That's a fact

No, but I'm not gonna try and convince you. I just think you in particularly lost credibility due to your way of arguing by using a tragic death as a joke and poor point making. Also no one owes you answers.

 

[Gator Monroe]

Legislating California Style Firearm Storage Restrictions is not the way to go guys ,get over it ...

 

[DuneHopper]

When I see articles like this, it seems to tell me someone is wanting to exploit this message. They could never know who or how many own firearms. I bet none of us could guess how many just one member here has? Well except me, I don't have any after that tragic boat accident.

 

[DB is Here]

 

[Joe13]

Addressing the real issues will come closer to solving the problem. I think that making Veterans concerned about losing their rights, the rights that they took an oath to protect, will only create more anxiety within the Veteran community.

Veterans have access to many forms mental health care. There are group sessions, ptsd classes, one-on-one sessions, 1-800-hotlines, yoga classes, tai chi classes, nature outings, cognitive-behavioral therapy, meditation therapy, service animals, medications, etc. Most of these are free to the group of Veterans that we are discussing.

I personally know people that refuse to take advantage of the help offered specifically because they are concerned they might loose their gun rights and be labeled forever.

We should be spending lots of DOD money on mental health for these guys/gals and not make the whole thing frustrating and full of red tape to the point that people give up.

 

[Gator Monroe]

The Moment you seek what "they" consider "Real Help" you are usually flagged , that is the way the system is set up sorry to say ...

 

[CrankyGuy]

I personally know people that refuse to take advantage of the help offered specifically because they are concerned they might loose their gun rights and be labeled forever.

We should be spending lots of DOD money on mental health for these guys/gals and not make the whole thing frustrating and full of red tape to the point that people give up.

^this

 

[whitney]

Why are they committing suicide?

~Whitney

 

[Eric in Oregon]

Did these Veterans feel more safe in the Combat Zone than they do in the United States?

They might not feel more safe, but IIRC from the excellent book "On Killing" they feel like it made more sense.