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The next issue will probably be........
"Why 4 shots? Doesn't that sound excessive?"
Aloha, Mark
"Why 4 shots? Doesn't that sound excessive?"
Aloha, Mark
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What he said. LEO probably shot her "best friend"I'd almost bet ya' $5.00 that Pinky's family would NOT have a different take...
I have had a patient that happened to a few years back. They lost the eye, and sadly they were the victim of the assault. Somebody missed.I heard about one going into an eye... that might sting a bit.
Plus, her expired tags were right there on her arse for all the world to see.I believe the officer was correct to use deadly force to prevent death.
In no way, can it be argued this girl did not have intent to cause extensive harm and or death to the other girl.
I can't pick apart this one in any way shape or form to understand it any differently.
About the only argument that might possibly be made is that less deadly force could have been used instead. taser wouldn't have been affective at the distance in the video, perhaps a bean bag round. That would require officers to readily carry yet another item and be properly trained on it. We all ready have a recent video showing long time veteran officers can mistake a less lethal weapon for their sidearm in a stressful situation.
This really can't be seen as racism either. Nothing here is racist.
Is the other side arguing excessive force? Or racism? Or both?
It was only a matter of time I get poked for that one.Plus, her expired tags were right there on her arse for all the world to see.
lol
Take a reduction in CoL, a pay cut, and go rural. We appreciate good LEOs here..... when the city council, the mayor, the governor and the police chief don't have your back besides quitting, what else can you do.
I would go so far as to 'speculate' that, in at least some immeasurable way, the chilling effect of Defund the Police is in part responsible for the boldness of Stabby Girl.Even though it appears to be a totally justified shooting, in the racially/politically charged climate of this era, there is a good chance the police officer will be made an example of to appease the mob. Don't worry, cops know this, and are stepping back a little, that is one of the reasons crime rates are skyrocketing, let the idiots deal with each other for a while and the situation will sort itself out. I know, thats is not what they are supposed to do but when the city council, the mayor, the governor and the police chief don't have your back besides quitting, what else can you do.
The evidence in this case certainly doesn't leave much room to make a case for anything else, even if further details emerge. Wasn't murder. Definitely not racism. Cops were put in a position where they had to choose to shoot the girl or allow her to gravely injure someone, they would have had to make that decision no matter the color of the skin. They weren't there for mysteriously racist reasons either, there was a 911 call and they responded to investigate. Saw a lady committing a crime, assault with a deadly weapon, and responded.So far, I've seen the generic racism and murder tossed around.
I've also seen:
- why didn't he use a taser or no weapon at all?
- why did he have to shoot to kill? (to which myrantresponse is above)
- it wasn't a knife it was a nail file! (to which, the dispatch call told them they were walking into a knife attack...so, even if the object was not a knife and was blunt, it would have been reasonable for the officer to believe it was a knife)
I'm awaiting more information, specifically some sort of statement from pink jumpsuit lady and details as to who was what at that encounter. For example, after lady #1 gets thrown to the ground, male #1 attempts to kick her while she's down...why?
There is a lot of context to this encounter missing. Though, I can see why the department was quick to release the video footage after reading some of the initial (and very wrong) reports/news.
ors 169.209,ors 169.219IE, instead of officer John, it was Good Citizen Bob. If Bob had shot and killed the girl to protect the possibility of death of another person, not his own, would it be justifiable? Likely not.
The evidence in this case certainly doesn't leave much room to make a case for anything else, even if further details emerge. Wasn't murder. Definitely not racism. Cops were put in a position where they had to choose to shoot the girl or allow her to gravely injure someone, they would have had to make that decision no matter the color of the skin. They weren't there for mysteriously racist reasons either, there was a 911 call and they responded to investigate. Saw a lady committing a crime, assault with a deadly weapon, and responded.
At times like this I like to remove the officer from the scenario and see if it would still be justifiable.
IE, instead of officer John, it was Good Citizen Bob. If Bob had shot and killed the girl to protect the possibility of death of another person, not his own, would it be justifiable? Likely not. Yet, Good Citizen Bob is not a public servant tasked with upholding the law, officer John is. Police have been proven, many times in court, to have justifiable lawful reasons to use deadly force to enforce laws. This case, should be one of them.
So if there is any, I mean stretching to find and argument, it would be this question. Should officers have lawful reasons to take someone's life if their life is not being threatened and or in danger? That is about the only question I've got. Since it is unlikely Good Citizen Bob would not be justifiable in taking someones life to protect another random strangers life, should we as society accept that officers can?
My googlefu isn't liking either of those. Got links to those laws?ors 169.209,ors 169.219
I admit, I tend to look through an Oregon lens, our judges DAs and even jurors are not the same!In Wyoming, I believe 'Good Citizen Bob' would not be charged. The video from the the neighbors would show it was a good shoot. We allow our citizens to shoot criminals in the process of attempted murder.
I am agreeing with you.Take a reduction in CoL, a pay cut, and go rural. We appreciate good LEOs here.
My googlefu isn't liking either of those. Got links to those laws?
That's law for citizens arrest. He quoted chapter 169 which is to do with correctional facility law. Both don't have much to do with whether Good Citizen Bob can shoot stranger Nancy to protect random citizen Jill's life."But you can't do that! You'll get in trouble!"
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Fixed it.That's law for citizens arrest. He quoted chapter 169 which is to do with correctional facility law. Both don't have much to do with whether Good Citizen Bob can shoot stranger Nancy to protect random citizen Jill's life.