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Seems like a bit of overreaction here, esp by the guy that said that's the kind of person that shouldnt have a CCW! Boy, talk about playing god there!
Wasn't there, but sounds like the guy was just eager to show kindred spirit. Not like he was menacing or waving it around like a moron. Maybe some people need to chill out on this a bit? I wouldnt have pulled up my shirt but maybe he thought it was better that you knew, in case he bent over or printed. I think most of us carry folks are a little more observant than the average joes.
I cannot count the number of time I have lifted my jacket at a gunshop to show someone my methof carry.We are brothers in the gun community. We don't need to fear each other.
"Flashing" your gun at every opportunity is not tactful, but we should feel comfortable around one of our own.
PBP, Just for clarification, you left the case on the table? Not the firearm correct?
Lefty.
But just because we HAVE it doesn't mean we need to show it..
PBP, Just for clarification, you left the case on the table? Not the firearm correct?
Lefty.
The case was on the table. The gun was in the safe in the powder room.
Don't ask don't tell is Oregon's policy regarding concealed carry on private property. It only becomes trespassing if someone asks you to leave and you don't. No-gun signs on stores and malls don't mean diddly squat. I don't know about Washington... though I should probably familiarize myself with WA CCW laws since I've got a WA permit and carry there now.
Personally I'm for arming as many law-abiding citizens as possible and I definitely won't be complaining about people carrying in my house. A guy I specifically called and asked to come repair/install something probably isn't out to rob me after all. It would be a pretty terrible business model from any perspective. Waving it around or being generally unsafe is another matter entirely though...
"It only becomes trespassing if someone asks you to leave and you don't. No-gun signs on stores and malls don't mean diddly squat."
Actually you may want to study Oregon law a little closer as well as the associated case law. If adequately posted, there is no requirement for verbal communication prior to being arrested for ORS 164.265 Criminal trespass while in possession of firearm. Case law from Eastern Oregon upheld by Oregon Appeals Court applies.
LCDR
We are brothers in the gun community. We don't need to fear each other.
"Flashing" your gun at every opportunity is not tactful, but we should feel comfortable around one of our own.
You are not understanding the law. You have to be actively engaged in "criminal trespass" for that to be enforceable. Entering a mall or public business (or a private home through invitation) is not criminal trespass. That law pertains to people who unlawfully enter a home or business while carrying a gun. The signs do not make it illegal to enter. Therefore it is not criminal trespass. You cannot be arrested for simply being in possession while in a mall or business that does not allow firearms. They can only ask you to leave. If you refuse it then becomes criminal trespass.
You do not have to be notified verbally that you are engaged in criminal trespass. That part is true. If my land is posted (or even if it is not posted as long as there is no public right of way) and you enter it I do not have to warn you verbally you are breaking the law. Same goes if you enter my home without permission. I do not have to give you verbal warning before calling the police and they can arrest you even if I am not there to warn you and they catch you.
That does not mean you are completely safe though. If you make your gun visible to where someone asks you to leave, and they want to be jerks about it, you could find yourself with a disturbing the peace charge against you if there happens to be a cop right there.
Good thing he saw you had a pistol.
Imagine the scene if the cable guy found out you had a penis.
"Hey... I've got one too... Lookie Here!"