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Carry a katana and chop em up
Yea, I'm on drugs again
Yea, I'm on drugs again
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Your on drugs at 4am , now question is are you just getting on them or just getting off of them lol.Carry a katana and chop em up
Yea, I'm on drugs again
Mountain lions average about 100lbs around here.Self defense in the woods starts at .357Mag and goes up from there. Will smaller/lesser rounds kill them? Yep, if you get to pick your shot.
Will smaller/lesser rounds stop a charging bear or cat, where/when you can't pick your shot?
I doubt it.
.357
.45LC
.41Mag
10MM+p
.44Mag
And unless you're in Alaska, anything above that is where overkill starts.
And for roughly half that amount of money at Underwood I can get almost twice the energy on target with a .357Mag, and not beat the crap out of my HiPower.Mountain lions average about 100lbs around here.
Humans average about 180.
lol
I'll take a +p+ 9mm Underwood, thank you. Pretty close to the classic stopper .357 load.. but hold a bit more than six.
The Hi-Power is a military pistol and Underwoods are very competitively priced.. unbelievably so.And for roughly half that amount of money at Underwood I can get almost twice the energy on target with a .357Mag, and not beat the crap out of my HiPower.
With .41Mag or 45LC+P the difference is even greater.
Yeah, it's reasonable for what it is. But the 147gr +p+ is about $31.00/box.The Hi-Power is a military pistol and Underwoods are very competitively priced.. unbelievably so.
Yea I handload too. Always have. And for the Hi-Power. Like I said, their 115gr offering approaches the old classic .357 stopper.. the 125gr JHP. It's fairly well documented.Yeah, it's reasonable for what it is. But the 147gr +p+ is about $31.00/box.
My NATO duplicate handloads for the HiPower price out less than half that.
But neither 9mm load delivers near the energy that a standard Underwood 158gr .357Mag load does, at $16.50+/box.
Then duplicate the NATO hardball with a Speer GDHP:Yea I handload too. Always have. And for the Hi-Power. Like I said, their 115gr offering approaches the old classic .357 stopper.. the 125gr JHP. It's fairly well documented.
And you don't shoot ball at anything that breathes, in my book.
Yes, I'm familiar with reloading. And speaking of Gold Dots, that's what Underwood uses.. going around 1450fps.. out of a 4" barrel. Very similar to that legendary 125gr .357 load.Then duplicate the NATO hardball with a Speer GDHP:
Alliant Powder - Reloader's Guide
It's more expensive to load than the 115gr over a powder like Bullseye, but it penetrates better and is easy to load.
But it's still not in 158gr .357Mag territory in terms of energy and/or penetration.
Thankfully I've never had to stop a charging bear, but I have it on good authority from someone who has, that to stop a charging brown or even black bear you need to break bones. And that means penetration is needed.
He explained that the only sure way he has seen to do it is to break either the pelvic or pectoral girdle. Those are the skeletal structures responsible for supporting the bulk of a bear's weight. Once they're broken the bear can't generate serious motive force.
When seconds count, I can't wait for my 9 to cause bleed-out.
That's about as good a summary as there is John.I'm really surprised I haven't read some cowboy throw in the .45 ACP yet.
I had the unfortunate experience of running into a poorly hit and crippled boar black bear.
Four solid frontal hits from the over rated milk toast round did little to stop the charge and I believe that if the rifle hunter hadn't finished what he started before I came on the site, the outcome would have turned out very bad for me.
I'll never carry that round again archery hunting.
As far as a cat? It would (probably) do the job, but I'll now stick with the .357 as my side arm. Daily carry for two leggers, my 9mm does fine for me.