Mountain Lion Defensive Pistol

[OldBroad44]

Here is an interesting bit of caliber trivia (at least I think so) the 10 mm was developed to replicate the preformance of a 357 Magnum loaded with 180gr hard cast bullets. The idea was to be able to shoot thru both sides of a car and knock a bad guy over on the other side even if they were wearing body armor. My 180gr TC 10 mm load out of a 6" Glock g 40 barrel runs an average of 1300fps and my 180 gr TC load out of my 4" GP-100 runs an average of just under 1200fps. Niether bullet will expand so the idea is to hit the spine to neutralize the threat.

The expanding bullet may or may not expand. And when it does, it is usually at full expansion for only part of its travel through the body of target. The wide flat nosed hard cast punches a big hole without needing to expand. That hole will ordinarily be bigger than what the HP produces at the beginning and end of its trajectory through a human, cougar, or black bear sized body. Expanding bullets when they don't expand are just round nose bullets, notorious for zipping through flesh and doing little damage.

The level 2 body armor won't stop .357 mag, but level 3 soft body armor will. I think it stops all handgun bullets. It doesn't stop metal jacketed rifle ammo without extras like hard plates. Just from reading on internet.

 

[80G26FTW]

Level 3 soft body armor will stop most handgun bullets. It won't stop really fast bullets. The 7.5 FK Brno is one example. Another would be the 9mm Liberty Defense stuff that is running at around 2000 fps. There are videos of both defeating level 3 body armor. I'd be curious to see a really hot .357 mag load like some of the Buffalo Bore stuff fired out of a 16+ inch carbine into level 3 armor.

 

[Flopsweat]

Yep Wife finally noticed this a short while ago. I had been telling her for years that the ISP sells the info. This is a lot of why. She was just not really paying attention. Then one day she finally saw it when she was looking for something on her phone and then ads popped up on her PC for the kind of stuff.
The only thing that I do try to be careful of is my WiFi. When Broadband first really got going there was an article about some poor guy who's neighbor was using his WiFi to look at kidi porn. Bunch of Fed Cops kick in the door in the middle of the night to "raid him". After reading that it did always try to make sure I use some form of keeping that from happening. The rest of it? Could care less if the boys from google and amazon are selling my info on what I buy.

The expanding bullet may or may not expand. And when it does, it is usually at full expansion for only part of its travel through the body of target. The wide flat nosed hard cast punches a big hole without needing to expand. That hole will ordinarily be bigger than what the HP produces at the beginning and end of its trajectory through a human, cougar, or black bear sized body. Expanding bullets when they don't expand are just round nose bullets, notorious for zipping through flesh and doing little damage.

The level 2 body armor won't stop .357 mag, but level 3 soft body armor will. I think it stops all handgun bullets. It doesn't stop metal jacketed rifle ammo without extras like hard plates. Just from reading on internet.

Level 3 soft body armor will stop most handgun bullets. It won't stop really fast bullets. The 7.5 FK Brno is one example. Another would be the 9mm Liberty Defense stuff that is running at around 2000 fps. There are videos of both defeating level 3 body armor. I'd be curious to see a really hot .357 mag load like some of the Buffalo Bore stuff fired out of a 16+ inch carbine into level 3 armor.

.357 and 10mm will beat the stuffing out of you though. They can push the soft armor into your ribs and break them.

 

[80G26FTW]

 

[sobo]

Level 3 soft body armor will stop most handgun bullets. It won't stop really fast bullets. The 7.5 FK Brno is one example. Another would be the 9mm Liberty Defense stuff that is running at around 2000 fps. There are videos of both defeating level 3 body armor. I'd be curious to see a really hot .357 mag load like some of the Buffalo Bore stuff fired out of a 16+ inch carbine into level 3 armor.

I was under the impression for body armor to stop all handgun bullets, it had to be a minimum of Level 3A...

 

[80G26FTW]

Yes, I didn't include the "A" and I should have.

 

[CamoDeafie]

I was under the impression for body armor to stop all handgun bullets, it had to be a minimum of Level 3A...

Yes, I didn't include the "A" and I should have.

Its the same reason why Level 3 hard armor may stop 5.56 or may not stop 5.56 although they're supposed to stop 7.62x51 M80 ball ammo traveling over 800m/s..... speed and sectional density. The 55gr 5.56 going at higher speeds can punch through some Level 3 hard armor plates.
3A doesn't show testing for handgun calibers launched from carbine length barrels.

 

[OldBroad44]

Impressive. And the .357 was only 158'grain rather than 180gr hard cast bear loads. But a .357 fired from a rifle isn't A handgun load any more.

 

[Flopsweat]

I was under the impression for body armor to stop all handgun bullets, it had to be a minimum of Level 3A...

Yeah, it's confusing. The "A" denotes soft armor, so IIIA is for handgun rounds and III is for rifle rounds.

 

[80G26FTW]

Impressive. And the .357 was only 158'grain rather than 180gr hard cast bear loads. But a .357 fired from a rifle isn't A handgun load any more.

Would this count? lol

 

[sobo]

 

[sobo]

Yeah, it's confusing. The "A" denotes soft armor, so IIIA is for handgun rounds and III is for rifle rounds.

I just said, "Phuq it!" and bought Level IV.


BAM!

 

[tac]

Would this count? lol

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I gots one of them, 'cept mine's a Ruger Super Redhawk -

 

[308]

After reading the following post, it kinda sounds like cougars don't really present themselves for proper targeting

Post in thread 'Real world animal threats'
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/real-world-animal-threats.261408/post-1859777

 

[DeanMk]

We humans in this neighborhood decided what to do about the cougar, not the reverse. And we decided to gossip about her and appreciate her ecological services.

That is an extremely healthy attitude.
You seem to live in a good place, or at least you're surrounded by good neighbors.

 

[The Heretic]

That is an extremely healthy attitude.
You seem to live in a good place, or at least you're surrounded by good neighbors.

Yeah, one of my neighbor's always wanted to shoot most anything - while I won't hunt predators unless they are a threat to me or mine. Otherwise he was a great neighbor and very helpful. He just moved to Montana.

 

[Dozer99]

On the subject of Level IIIA body armor, a 7.62x25 will punch right through it. Does an awful lot of damage after it goes through the vest as well. I know.

 

[OldBroad44]

Confidence is key. Not many are faster than a bear or mountain lion. You should hit up Marvel's casting crew.

Super Broad. Garden Woman.

Actually I do have a super power. I have extraordinary acute hearing. Even now at age 75. The down side is that sound levels tolerable to most are painful for me. Cannot go in places with band music or parties. Have never made it beyond the door of a nightclub. The up side is lots of fun. I normally hear deer and other wild critters before they hear me. I hear a large caterpillar chewing on a plant in my garden from about twelve feet away, and go to see who is chewing so noisily. I can hear a gopher working in his tunnel or pulling one of my garlic plants under from 20' away. Before my very eyes another of my garlic plant's tops shakes and shrinks as it is pulled under from below, nothing but the leaves left in a few seconds. "Curse you, Garlic Grabber!" So I set a trap. In the woods and fields I hear mice and voles under the grass, just like wolves, coyotes, foxes, or the Siberian husky I used to have did. He (and I) could hear them from up to about 2O feet away. He would then sneak up and get them with a forarm stab. Just sitting under a tree outdoors and listening and noticing everything is intensely pleasurable for me.

 

[clanhanson]

Super Broad. Garden Woman.

Actually I do have a super power. I have extraordinary acute hearing. Even now at age 75. The down side is that sound levels tolerable to most are painful for me. Cannot go in places with band music or parties. Have never made it beyond the door of a nightclub. The up side is lots of fun. I normally hear deer and other wild critters before they hear me. I hear a large caterpillar chewing on a plant in my garden from about twelve feet away, and go to see who is chewing so noisily. I can hear a gopher working in his tunnel or pulling one of of my garlic plants under from 20' away. Before my very eyes another of my garlic plant's tops shakes and shrinks as it is pulled under from below, nothing but the leaves left in a few seconds. "Curse you, Garlic Grabber!" So I set a trap. In the woods and fields I hear mice and voles under the grass, just like wolves, coyotes, or the Siberian husky I used to have did. He (and I) could hear them from up to about 2O feet away. He would then sneak up and get them with a forarm stab. Just sitting under a tree outdoors and listening and noticing everything is intensely pleasurable for me.

Opposite of myself... I have constant tinnitus and partial loss in the left ear. I blame dozens of concerts (mainly rock and metal), being in a pipe band for a decade, playing in concert band with my ear right by the trumpets for many years, and playing in a wannabe rock band for a bit. Not to mention the many shots fired without hearing protection over the years.

 

[The Heretic]

Super Broad. Garden Woman.

Actually I do have a super power. I have extraordinary acute hearing. Even now at age 75. The down side is that sound levels tolerable to most are painful for me. Cannot go in places with band music or parties. Have never made it beyond the door of a nightclub. The up side is lots of fun. I normally hear deer and other wild critters before they hear me. I hear a large caterpillar chewing on a plant in my garden from about twelve feet away, and go to see who is chewing so noisily. I can hear a gopher working in his tunnel or pulling one of my garlic plants under from 20' away. Before my very eyes another of my garlic plant's tops shakes and shrinks as it is pulled under from below, nothing but the leaves left in a few seconds. "Curse you, Garlic Grabber!" So I set a trap. In the woods and fields I hear mice and voles under the grass, just like wolves, coyotes, foxes, or the Siberian husky I used to have did. He (and I) could hear them from up to about 2O feet away. He would then sneak up and get them with a forarm stab. Just sitting under a tree outdoors and listening and noticing everything is intensely pleasurable for me.

My super power is that I am half deaf.