Mass Non-Compliance. Could it actually be a thing?

[arakboss]

Burglary attempt got this pharmacist in hot water.

Prosecutors: Call about burglary at Hewlett pharmacist's home led to police finding dozens of illegal weapons

Ilya Ostrovskiy is also accused of shooting toward the street at the suspected burglars.

www.google.com

 

[arakboss]

Yep but, again we are talking keeping a gun you can't have as apposed to selling stuff you are not allowed to have. Keep a gun at home you can't have? You may go your entire life and no problem. Run a store and sell stuff they told you no more of? How long do you think it will take for them to come shut you down?
I have lived where we could not get a CC law for many years. I carried anyway. If I was "caught" I would have faced legal challenges. To me the risk was worth it. MANY jobs said NO guns. I carried anyway. If I was "caught" it would be the end of the job but, again to me the risk was worth it as the only way I would get "caught" was if I had to defend myself. I did not go to work and start selling guns there to show them I was not going to comply.

A big topic among the non-compliance crowd is selling firearms without involving an FFL. I joke about it with my BK photos but some seem to be more serious about it. Non-compliance covers a wide area in life.

 

[arakboss]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ksbw.com/amp/article/king-city-traffic-stop-leads-to-ghost-guns-and-arrest/41034391

 

[arakboss]

I hate one way streets.

Illegal Weapons, Ammunition Seized During Enfield Traffic Stop

A New Hampshire man driving the wrong direction on a one-way street was found to be in possession of a number of weapons, police said.

patch.com

 

[arakboss]

I hate faulty headlights.

VB Police seize 5 illegal guns during traffic stop

Virginia Beach Police Chief Paul Neudigate sent out a tweet Monday congratulating an officer for seizing illegal firearms.

www.google.com

 

[arakboss]

I hate getting tazed too.

Polk County traffic stop leads to arrest of brother of accused Capitol rioter, deputies say

The older brother of Joshua Doolin, who is facing charges connected to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack, was arrested in Polk County on felony weapons charges after claiming he was a 'sovereign,' said Sheriff Grady Judd.

www.google.com

 

[arakboss]

I just learned I don't care for interdiction agents either.

I 59 traffic stop leads to illegal gun haul in northeast Alabama - WDEF

FORT PAYNE, Alabama (WDEF) – The sheriff in DeKalb County, Alabama says a traffic stop on I 59 on Monday ended with the arrest of two suspects for gun smuggling. A county interdiction agent stopped the vehicle on the interstate between Collinsville and Fort Payne around 11 AM. The sheriff says...

www.wdef.com

 

[Alexx1401]

A big topic among the non-compliance crowd is selling firearms without involving an FFL. I joke about it with my BK photos but some seem to be more serious about it. Non-compliance covers a wide area in life.

I have NO doubt many are still selling here in WA face to face. Many of them will probably never have any problem with it.To me? Its a no way in hell would I do it. Some gun I own I could sell for $400 face to face may only bring $250 if I sell it at a shop legally. So would the $150 be worth it to me? No. Adults of course make their own choices. They also have to live with those choices when things go wrong.

 

[arakboss]

I love extra short barrel receivers.

Traffic Stop Leads to Man Arrested for Various Gun Law Violations

Early this morning, December 15, at just before 4am, Officer Ruiz conducted a traffic stop on a suspicious vehicle with out-of-state with plates for vehicle code violations.

www.turlockcitynews.com

 

[arakboss]

Even firefighters like to ditch compliance from time to time.

Calif. fire captain fights state assault rifle charges after ATF raids home

Sacramento Metro Fire Capt. Derik Oakes could lose his job if he's convicted of the three felonies stemming from the raid

www.firerescue1.com

 

[arakboss]

And some Amish avoid compliance.

Lawyers for Amish farmer charged with selling guns without a license claim law vague, 1st, 2nd Amendment violations

Attorneys for a Leacock Township Amish farmer who’s accused of selling thousands of guns without a federal license intend to defend him on grounds that the federal licensing law is

lancasteronline.com

 

[Alexx1401]

And some Amish avoid compliance.

Lawyers for Amish farmer charged with selling guns without a license claim law vague, 1st, 2nd Amendment violations

Attorneys for a Leacock Township Amish farmer who’s accused of selling thousands of guns without a federal license intend to defend him on grounds that the federal licensing law is

lancasteronline.com

Damn! I of course have almost no faith in anything I read any more but, if this is even close to half true? Kind of surprising it took them this long to come after him.

 

[Alexx1401]

Even firefighters like to ditch compliance from time to time.

Calif. fire captain fights state assault rifle charges after ATF raids home

Sacramento Metro Fire Capt. Derik Oakes could lose his job if he's convicted of the three felonies stemming from the raid

www.firerescue1.com

This line bothers me the most:
Oakes and his attorney say Oakes didn't know his collection of rifles, many of which he assembled himself at his home, were illegal under California's strict assault weapons laws.
He very well may have had zero idea what he was doing was going to get him in trouble which is sad. WAYYYY too many gun owners just pay zero attention to the gun laws that keep getting passed. If, always a big IF, this guy really had this stuff they claim he was really into guns. To be that into the sport, live in that state, and pay no attention to the laws going in??

 

[arakboss]

Damn! I of course have almost no faith in anything I read any more but, if this is even close to half true? Kind of surprising it took them this long to come after him.

What happens in Amish Country stays in Amish country (until the Feds show up).

 

[arakboss]

The lesson I take away from all these stories, which are a drop in the bucket, is this. If you are going to refuse to comply with gun laws, you should comply with and or avoid the other 99.99% of laws, rules, or other activities that could bring you in contact with others (especially law enforcement).

 

[arakboss]

Damn! I of course have almost no faith in anything I read any more but, if this is even close to half true? Kind of surprising it took them this long to come after him.

He was probably at a barn raising where his non-compliance buddies were telling him that nobody gets picked off for selling guns.....

 

[Certaindeaf]

The lesson I take away from all these stories, which are a drop in the bucket, is this. If you are going to refuse to comply with gun laws, you should comply with and or avoid the other 99.99% of laws, rules, or other activities that could bring you in contact with others (especially law enforcement).

But how else can the whole world know of my 6.5 Creedmoor?
And vegetarianism.

 

[Stomper]

He was probably at a barn raising where his non-compliance buddies were telling him that nobody gets picked off for selling guns.....

Prolly figured God would protect him if the guns he was moving didn't have any zippers or lights mounted to them….. 'cuz, Amish.

 

[GWS]

Of course he would not. The point still the same. If they make some certain gun illegal, people can still keep it. They of course can't use it but they can keep it. Places where they will not even allow you to own a gun unless they grant you a license any gun is this case. This is how this works. Little by little they will just keep passing more laws as long as people do nothing. Those who do not comply they will not be coming to their door but, if the gun they have is not legal and they have to use it? They are now in trouble.

Keeping a gun(s) you are not suppose to have could lead to a person's incarceration, loss of job, loss of access to legal firearms, etc. If they have a family that depends on them they should consider themselves in a similar position as an FFL.

They just need to understand that there are consequences for the choices they make. If a person finds themselves in a life or death situation and for whatever reason only have an unregistered or banned gun to us and fleeing is not an option, I would suggest they use the gun to save their lives and be glad they're still alive to deal with the consequences of their action. A crappy situation but it beats being dead.

I hate faulty headlights.

VB Police seize 5 illegal guns during traffic stop

Virginia Beach Police Chief Paul Neudigate sent out a tweet Monday congratulating an officer for seizing illegal firearms.

www.google.com

Then don't carry stolen weapons without making sure your car's in top condition. Consequences

And some Amish avoid compliance.

Lawyers for Amish farmer charged with selling guns without a license claim law vague, 1st, 2nd Amendment violations

Attorneys for a Leacock Township Amish farmer who’s accused of selling thousands of guns without a federal license intend to defend him on grounds that the federal licensing law is

lancasteronline.com

Don't illegally sell gun's to undercover ATF agents. Consequences.
These are cases of people making stupid decisions involving guns not quite representative of the vast majority of gun owners who don't think the government has a right to violate the Constitution they took an oath to uphold and hence, choose non compliance with said unconstitutional law(s).

 

[arakboss]

There has been more talk about not complying in some other threads and it made me think about Rosa Parks and her bus seat non-compliance. Do you think if she had practiced her bus seat non-compliance in her basement, that it would have had the impact it did?

Non-compliance may work if done publicly in mass. If the non-compliance is done in private, it's unlikely to help us out much.