International Lithuania bans possession of guns by Russian, Belarusian nationals

[The Heretic]

True. But there can be no justification for what the US did to Japanese citizens during WW2, which your post appears to condone.

Hardly - I have hardly mentioned the interment camps at all - until now.

 

[gmerkt]

This sounds like Russophobia, or what we did to the US citizens with Japanese heritage during WW2.

Did you read the article at the link? It says this action is only being applied to NON-CITIZENS.

 

[gmerkt]

Lithuanian ports are a gateway for smuggling. Russian organized crime is associated with smuggling stolen vehicles, illegal narcotics and other goods. Russian tentacles are sunk deep in Lithuania as a throw-back to the USSR domination era. Russian organized crime and the Kremlin are known to have close ties. Basically Russia has a prearranged network in Lithuania, not to mention Kaliningrad right next door. Putin is trying to reconstitute the old boundaries of the USSR. Disarming Russian nationals within Lithuania seems perfectly logical to me. But good luck rounding up all their guns.

The Lithuanian government would be wise to deport all Russian and Belarusian non-citizens. They've already closed their borders to any who want to enter now, with exceptions.

 

[DirectDrive]

This sounds like Russophobia, or what we did to the US citizens with Japanese heritage during WW2.

BS
Look at a map.

Lithuania has Kaliningrad Oblast (Russian territory) right on their border.
Belarus (Russian puppet state) on the other border.
This order is for Russian nationals and Belarusian nationals.

Lithuania is doing the right thing.
Although they should just kick the bass turds out.

 

[raftman]

Always gotta chuckle at the Ukraine firsters, would probably give up their own guns too if they were told it stops Putin or something.

 

[Yarome]

Always gotta chuckle at the Ukraine firsters, would probably give up their own guns too if they were told it stops Putin or something.

Are we reading the same thread??? Ukraine hasn't been mentioned by a single person in this thread.


Always gotta chuckle when people are so desperate to push their idealogy they have to interject it randomly into completely unrelated threads.

 

[DirectDrive]

Russian sympathizers.
We might have to disarm them, too.

 

[raftman]

Are we reading the same thread??? Ukraine hasn't been mentioned by a single person in this thread.


Always gotta chuckle when people are so desperate to push their idealogy they have to interject it randomly into completely unrelated threads.

It's been alluded to as a justification in at least two posts in this thread. Unless your argument is Lithuania's actions have nothing to do with Ukraine? Really? That's what you're going with?

Furthermore… what exactly do you infer is my "ideology"?

 

[jackrv]

Not to derail the gist of this thread, but:

I raise my hat in a salute and recognition of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team(unit) that fought so well in WWII Europe and to those who were interpreters in the Pacific.

Jack

 

[PrDubi]

Doesn't match up or equal the camps of the Nazis and Commies.

My own great grandfather and grandfather died naked and were clunged to each other as father and son frozen to death in a torture prison run by Russians and commie filth Hungarians.
They died that way being sprayed with frozen cold water due to the 1956 hungarian uprising.
My dad was left an orphan having to grow up in Austria with 12 other boys who fought in the streets against commies in 1956.
Our family property was confiscated, they converted iur 1800 square feet family house into apartments and used the land to build two more apartments.
I went to my dad's high school in Budapest and they erased him and hundreds of others from history. No papers, no
pictures. I went to the high school and I can see the pictures were literally taken out.

What they did to the Japanese was horrible. But one shouldn't forget that it was a leftist Democrat that did that.

No greater than the socialist freak shows that paraded themselves in Europe.

I'm proud of what my father did but I am saddened that with gun control in full swing , nobody is learning anything from history as always.
I wonder what would have happened if hundreds of AMERICANS of Japanese ancestry would have said ..NO and they had a gun to protect against tyranny.

 

[American123]

Doesn't match up or equal the camps of the Nazis and Commies.

My own great grandfather and grandfather died naked and were clunged to each other as father and son frozen to death in a torture prison run by Russians and commie filth Hungarians.
They died that way being sprayed with frozen cold water due to the 1956 hungarian uprising.
My dad was left an orphan having to grow up in Austria with 12 other boys who fought in the streets against commies in 1956.
Our family property was confiscated, they converted iur 1800 square feet family house into apartments and used the land to build two more apartments.
I went to my dad's high school in Budapest and they erased him and hundreds of others from history. No papers, no
pictures. I went to the high school and I can see the pictures were literally taken out.

What they did to the Japanese was horrible. But one shouldn't forget that it was a leftist Democrat that did that.

No greater than the socialist freak shows that paraded themselves in Europe.

I'm proud of what my father did but I am saddened that with gun control in full swing , nobody is learning anything from history as always.
I wonder what would have happened if hundreds of AMERICANS of Japanese ancestry would have said ..NO and they had a gun to protect against tyranny.

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Looking back in time at history and criticizing it with today's standards is unfair.

The empire of Japan was an enemy of the U.S., how to divide that line between enemy and citizen of the U.S. was clearly a difficult situation. In some ways it was the more peaceful option, I'm sure, because the anti-Japanese hatred would have culminated in violence against Japanese-Americans.

I wonder if the Japanese in U.S. internment camps during WWII had it as difficult as the people raped, tortured, burned, and killed by Japanese soldiers during their conquest through Asia after Pearl Harbor.

I'm sure those people would have considered a U.S. internment camp a vacation stay by comparison.

 

[PrDubi]

Looking back in time at history and criticizing it with today's standards is unfair.

The empire of Japan was an enemy of the U.S., how to divide that line between enemy and citizen of the U.S. was clearly a difficult situation. In some ways it was the more peaceful option, I'm sure, because the anti-Japanese hatred would have culminated in violence against Japanese-Americans.

I wonder if the Japanese in U.S. internment camps during WWII had it as difficult as the people raped, tortured, burned, and killed by Japanese soldiers during their conquest through Asia after Pearl Harbor.

I'm sure those people would have considered a U.S. internment camp a vacation stay by comparison.

That's true, my mother is Filipina and she survived the Japanese occupation. They were pretty brutal alright.

 

[American123]

That's true, my mother is Filipina and she survived the Japanese occupation. They were pretty brutal alright.

It's not pleasurable viewing, but the documentary "The Rape of Nankin" goes into detail as well.

 

[MatthewDB]

The "horror" of what the U.S. did to the U.S. citizen Japanese is largely a U.S. construct in your own history books. Speaking from the other side... war is ugly. Innocents can be caught up in it. But make no mistake that many Japanese understood that it was a necessary precaution, lives were saved and we didn't want any U.S. casualties to occur due to national zealots activities any more than any pink skinned U.S. citizens wanted that.

No one liked it. Abuses and mistreatment occured. That's inevitable when people are placed in power over others... but make no mistake too that not everyone in those camps were "innocents" and had the potential to do great harm to a country we call home. We knew that even better than you.

Just as most Japanese understand the necessity of the atomic bombs and know, as horiffic as they where, that those actions saved millions of lives.

[soapbox OFF]


I say... good on Lithuania! They "get it".

Before people criticize the US too much about Japanese internment, they should be aware of the Niihau incident.

Niihau incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One the second day of the war, the majority of those of Japanese decent on the island turned traitor to the US.

 

[wired]

Looking back in time at history and criticizing it with today's standards is unfair.

The empire of Japan was an enemy of the U.S., how to divide that line between enemy and citizen of the U.S. was clearly a difficult situation. In some ways it was the more peaceful option, I'm sure, because the anti-Japanese hatred would have culminated in violence against Japanese-Americans.

I wonder if the Japanese in U.S. internment camps during WWII had it as difficult as the people raped, tortured, burned, and killed by Japanese soldiers during their conquest through Asia after Pearl Harbor.

I'm sure those people would have considered a U.S. internment camp a vacation stay by comparison.

Shows you how fleeting the notion of citizenship is. Your'e a citizen until someone else decides you are not.

 

[_Will_]

Did you read the article at the link? It says this action is only being applied to NON-CITIZENS.

Have you read about Lithuanian gun laws? They allow all permanent residents to carry a firearm after undergoing review.

I have an issue if they're taking firearms from law abiding residents on the premise they could engage in subversive activities.

It seems a few here are okay with confiscation if it suits their political ideologies of whom the " enemy" is.

This same type of mentality was applied to my wifes uncle who was from Yugoslavia. Everytime he'd fly home to visit family and came back to the states he'd be interrogated for hours by US customs. He eventually had to get a attorney to get off the " watch list". This went on from 1980s-till the early 2000s.

He lead a successful life here doing business, negotiating deals as a buyer and was a member of the 7th day Adventist church.

We have to remember there's people. Then politics with governments.

Casting a wide net is a dangerous precedent

 

[RedRover]

The "horror" of what the U.S. did to the U.S. citizen Japanese is largely a U.S. construct in your own history books. Speaking from the other side... war is ugly. Innocents can be caught up in it. But make no mistake that many Japanese understood that it was a necessary precaution, lives were saved and we didn't want any U.S. casualties to occur due to national zealots activities any more than any pink skinned U.S. citizens wanted that.

No one liked it. Abuses and mistreatment occured. That's inevitable when people are placed in power over others... but make no mistake too that not everyone in those camps were "innocents" and had the potential to do great harm to a country we call home. We knew that even better than you.

Just as most Japanese understand the necessity of the atomic bombs and know, as horiffic as they where, that those actions saved millions of lives.

[soapbox OFF]


I say... good on Lithuania! They "get it".

I'm curious as to why American citizens of German and Italian descent weren't afforded the same hospitality?

[soapbox OFF]

 

[wired]

I'm curious as to why American citizens of German and Italian descent weren't afforded the same hospitality?

[soapbox OFF]

Because they were white and 1940's America was basically an Apartheid state. Rampant uncontrolled racism.

Next question.

 

[RedRover]

Because they were white and 1940's America was basically an Apartheid state. Rampant uncontrolled racism.

Next question.

And here I am thinking that it was 'cause brats, pizza and beer are considered All-American, while seaweed and raw fish aren't.

I will never support the suspension of people's civil rights under the guise of public safety.

YMMV

 

[DirectDrive]

Have you read about Lithuanian gun laws? They allow all permanent residents to carry a firearm after undergoing review.

I have an issue if they're taking firearms from law abiding residents on the premise they could engage in subversive activities.

It seems a few here are okay with confiscation if it suits their political ideologies of whom the " enemy" is.

This same type of mentality was applied to my wifes uncle who was from Yugoslavia. Everytime he'd fly home to visit family and came back to the states he'd be interrogated for hours by US customs. He eventually had to get a attorney to get off the " watch list".

He lead a successful life here doing business, negotiating deals as a buyer and was a member of the 7th day Adventist church.

We have to remember there's people. Then politics with governments.

Casting a wide net is a dangerous precedent

I think you have it wrong.
It's about foreign nationals.
Not Lithuanian citizens.