Other State Kenosha WI Police Shooting Sparking Riots

[DB is Here]

These rioters will rue the day when law and order are forcibly returned...Idiots.

 

[awshoot]

Read the sign:

 

[Unicykle]

I hope the police are carying more than LL rounds cause this is coming to a head.

 

[Mikej]

These rioters will rue the day when law and order are forcibly returned...Idiots.

I bet you a case of your favorite beverage (expensive hard liquor/wine/champagne excluded) the day a state agency in the NW actually starts really taking out the garbage. No. I believe the "Plan" is "They'll get tired eventually and go home"

 

[nammac]

I hope the police are carying more than LL rounds cause this is coming to a head.

What I watched live stream from Kenosha was, well enlightening. Rioters with AR's stopping a Sheriff's armored vehicle in it's tracks for several moments... Then the top popped open and tear gas canisters were deployed. That cleared the way for the vehicle to proceed. You could hear gunshots in the background, assuming that was less than lethal rounds being deployed against the rioters...

Makes Portland look mild...

 

[cigars]

"They'll get tired eventually and go home"

Portland's new soyboy DA probably has that as his tramp stamp tattoo.

 

[Hueco]

Read the sign:

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From Havel ("The Power of the Powerless" - Vaclav Havel):

The manager of a fruit-and-vegetable shop places in his window, among the onions and carrots, the slogan: "Workers of the world, unite!" Why does he do it? What is he trying to communicate to the world? Is he genuinely enthusiastic about the idea of unity among the workers of the world? Is his enthusiasm so great that he feels an irrepressible impulse to acquaint the public with his ideals? Has he really given more than a moment's thought to how such a unification might occur and what it would mean?

I think it can safely be assumed that the overwhelming majority of shopkeepers never think about the slogans they put in their windows, nor do they use them to express their real opinions. That poster was delivered to our greengrocer from the enterprise headquarters along with the onions and carrots. He put them all into the window simply because it has been done that way for years, because everyone does it, and because that is the way it has to be. If he were to refuse, there could be trouble. He could be reproached for not having the proper decoration in his window; someone might even accuse him of disloyalty. He does it because these things must be done if one is to get along in life. It is one of the thousands of details that guarantee him a relatively tranquil life "in harmony with society," as they say.

Obviously the greengrocer is indifferent to the semantic content of the slogan on exhibit; he does not put the slogan in his window from any personal desire to acquaint the public with the ideal it expresses. This, of course, does not mean that his action has no motive or significance at all, or that the slogan communicates nothing to anyone. The slogan is really a sign, and as such it contains a subliminal but very definite message. Verbally, it might be expressed this way: "I, the greengrocer XY, live here and I know what I must do. I behave in the manner expected of me. I can be depended upon and am beyond reproach. I am obedient and therefore I have the right to be left in peace." This message, of course, has an addressee: it is directed above, to the greengrocer's superior, and at the same time it is a shield that protects the greengrocer from potential informers. The slogan's real meaning, therefore, is rooted firmly in the greengrocer's existence. It reflects his vital interests. But what are those vital interests?

Let us take note: if the greengrocer had been instructed to display the slogan "I am afraid and therefore unquestioningly obedient;' he would not be nearly as indifferent to its semantics, even though the statement would reflect the truth. The greengrocer would be embarrassed and ashamed to put such an unequivocal statement of his own degradation in the shop window, and quite naturally so, for he is a human being and thus has a sense of his own dignity. To overcome this complication, his expression of loyalty must take the form of a sign which, at least on its textual surface, indicates a level of disinterested conviction. It must allow the greengrocer to say, "What's wrong with the workers of the world uniting?" Thus the sign helps the greengrocer to conceal from himself the low foundations of his obedience, at the same time concealing the low foundations of power. It hides them behind the facade of something high. And that something is ideology.

Ideology is a specious way of relating to the world. It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them. As the repository of something suprapersonal and objective, it enables people to deceive their conscience and conceal their true position and their inglorious modus vivendi, both from the world and from themselves. It is a very pragmatic but, at the same time, an apparently dignified way of legitimizing what is above, below, and on either side. It is directed toward people and toward God. It is a veil behind which human beings can hide their own fallen existence, their trivialization, and their adaptation to the status quo. It is an excuse that everyone can use, from the greengrocer, who conceals his fear of losing his job behind an alleged interest in the unification of the workers of the world, to the highest functionary, whose interest in staying in power can be cloaked in phrases about service to the working class. The primary excusatory function of ideology, therefore, is to provide people, both as victims and pillars of the post-totalitarian system, with the illusion that the system is in harmony with the human order and the order of the universe.

The smaller a dictatorship and the less stratified by modernization the society under it, the more directly the will of the dictator can be exercised- In other words, the dictator can employ more or less naked discipline, avoiding the complex processes of relating to the world and of self justification which ideology involves. But the more complex the mechanisms of power become, the larger and more stratified the society they embrace, and the longer they have operated historically, the more individuals must be connected to them from outside, and the greater the importance attached to the ideological excuse. It acts as a kind of bridge between the regime and the people, across which the regime approaches the people and the people approach the regime. This explains why ideology plays such an important role in the post-totalitarian system: that complex machinery of units, hierarchies, transmission belts, and indirect instruments of manipulation which ensure in countless ways the integrity of the regime, leaving nothing to chance, would be quite simply unthinkable without ideology acting as its all-embracing excuse and as the excuse for each of its parts.

Edit to tag @EHJ - don't know if you've read any Havel but your interest in Bezmenov got me thinking that you may find Havel's words prophetic as well.

 

[Tony617]

Once a violent villain to normal society, now a hero to a movement. Welcome to the new normal. The Twitter world and social media will awaken the social justice mob for vengeance. "Prepare for war if you want peace".

Si vis pacem, para bellum - Wikipedia

 

[HA556]

This cop gets taken down!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297742223736549377

 

[nammac]

This cop gets taken down!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297742223736549377

Well, I think these rioters are just begging for live fire to be opened up on them...

 

[No_Regerts]

Well, I think these rioters are just begging for live fire to be opened up on them...

The only thing is that it would be purely punitive. There will be no "ah-ha!" moments that will make like-minded people change.

Punitive works, but doesn't win the hearts and minds.

 

[Unicykle]

Well, I think these rioters are just begging for live fire to be opened up on them...

The rioters arnt the only one begging for them to use live fire

 

[nammac]

At least the Governor of Wisconsin is bright enough to have called out the national guard... We'll see what happens tonight...

 

[Diamondback]

The only thing is that it would be purely punitive. There will be no "ah-ha!" moments that will make like-minded people change.

Punitive works, but doesn't win the hearts and minds.

Assuming they have hearts or minds to win in the first place...

 

[No_Regerts]

Assuming they have hearts or minds to win in the first place...

They're not, not right now.

 

[mkwerx]

The only thing is that it would be purely punitive. There will be no "ah-ha!" moments that will make like-minded people change.

Punitive works, but doesn't win the hearts and minds.

The cops and citizens defending themselves would be served well to put a good JHP thru the hearts and minds of the bastids engaging in violent, aggressive behavior. Would solve the problem if enough of those hearts & minds stopped functioning in a biological sense.

 

[No_Regerts]

The cops and citizens defending themselves would be served well to put a good JHP thru the hearts and minds of the bastids engaging in violent, aggressive behavior. Would solve the problem if enough of those hearts & minds stopped functioning in a biological sense.

 

[American123]

This cop gets taken down!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297742223736549377

The training of the police seems inadequate. I would not turn my back on a crowd, and if a policeman goes down and there are three officers looking at him on the ground and nobody is looking outward toward the crowd, well, that's just terrible tactics.

That being said, I would not fault the police if they traded bullets for bricks.

 

[nk02442]

How you deal with savages:

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Nothing beats a nice "steak" dinner with Vlad....
Andy