Is Mexico going to implode? Will it spill over to here?

[powersbj]

Give me a break about that "they are only here to try and work so hard for a better life"
as I wont only pick them out as being on our welfare and using our medical system they are not just here to pick tomatoes, it's how they come here that is the problem as I tell my 5 year old "bad behavior is not rewarded" we have had this going on for so long and very little has been done to secure our borders that we really do not know who is here and that is a major issue put that together with the cartel and gangs like MS13 and we should be taking notice of whats going on in MEXICO.

Bad behavior is rewarded in the USA, look at Washington DC ramming a BS health care package no one wants because they got paid, the congressmen dont care if they get reelected they just a a couple million bucks and will now control 1/5th of the economy. The point being the problem is us, not with Mexico or Mexicans. Our politicians are on the take, they are the ones who let non citizens vote, redraw the district to lock in the demographics, and now want to count prison inmates so they can have more reps in the house. But guess what WE ELECTED THEM! Dont make Mexico the scapegoat.

On the flip side I also agree with your point my anger is just directed somewhere else.

 

[Gunner3456]

No telling what might come down, but the possibilities are not looking good. Annyone know how things are going down in Argentina? I've heard their economy is back on track..... things are growing and developing there after their bank crashes and runaway inflation.

Argentina hasn't recovered because they still have a Marxist government. They use to be a huge beef exporter. When the economy crashed and the people couldn't afford beef, the govt outlawed the exporting of beef to feed the people. Of course the beef growers couldn't survive on what the people could (couldn't) pay, so they disposed of their herds. Also, hungry people steal beef. Now no one has beef. Now the country doesn't get the wealth that was generated by exporting beef.

Marxists and socialists will never understand where wealth and prosperity for the masses comes from.

 

[Gunner3456]

I still want to know, and it's hard to stay on topic: If Mexico crashes and huge masses openly crash our borders, will American citizens stop them? Will that be enough to touch off the citizens, if they are being robbed and starved themselves?

 

[tionico]

Gunner thanks for the (depressing) update on Argentina. I'd simply not followed things after the banks opened up again. Didn't know about the marxist thieves in power again. They're what dumped them into the bowl and pulled the chain in the first place. (you're exactly right, they never "get it")
Interesting about the beef.... I remember when Nicaragua went Sandinista. Something like seventy percent of Mc Donald's beef came from that country. HUGE herds, that and sugar were their mainstay exports and cash generators. Coffee was most likely third place. As things went to the Hot Place in a handbasket, no one had cash to buy beef, the trade embargo and general instability made shipping it very risky to impossible, and so the price of beef fell through the floor.. no market. Thousands of professionals and skilled tradesmen made their escape, the most incredible "brain drain" ever in the Western Hemisphere. Ortega outlawed the removal of any money from the country, fearing what was left would leave with the people leaving. (he was right... it was happening). Well, suddenly the price of live cattle began to climb, and no one could figure it out. Sudden demand came from nowhere...... OHHHhhh, NOW I get it. Those desiring to flee the country were turning their cash and other liquid assets into live cattle.... and driving them north into Honduras. Taking their money out of the country on the hoof. When I was there in 1986, beef was relatively scarce, and far more dear than it should have been, givenn the economy. (of course, converting dollars to cordobas at the present exchange rates made a three course HUGE steak dinner with all the trimmings and drinks in a nice restaurant cost about two dollars..... but gasoline was six cents the gallon, a 16 ounce Pepsi in glass bottle three cents. All those marxist thugs think alike, and hang together... I've little doubt those in power in Argentina remembered the Nica trick of walking your money out of the country, wrapped in fur, and moving under its own power.

 

[tionico]

As to mass citizen resistance or response... my guess is that enough will stand up and try to make it significant. A lot will depend on how far and how fast our government falls apart and ceases to function normally. I can;t imagine EVERY red-blooded Yank sitting on his thick end, things flying apart, and not DOING something, at least to protect his own.

One other rather depressing thought came to me a bit earlier..... it would not surprise me if the one group, wholly commited to full world domination and the elimination of all dissent were, or soon enough will be, at the root of much of Mexico's unsettled situation. They've been heavily involved in drug production and distribution (funding some of their wars and terrorism with the proceeds of opium produced in Afghanistan, for example), financing such things, are very adept at procuring and deploying of heavy arms, and will stop at nothing to attain their ultimate goals. Their standard MO is to infiltrate a nation or culture, stir up unrest and confusion to the point "something" needs to be done, then rise up with "the solution".... and take over. Sometimes it takes years for them to succeed in destabilising a government, but they are relentless, opportunistic, and dedicated. What has been happening in Mexico these past three years or so is nothing short of terrorism, and has been escalating steadily. The narcotraficantes want control.. ove the drug distribution trade routes and attendant money. The islamoterrorists want control.,.. over the entire world. The two go hand in hand, to a point. And at that point, the narcoistas are expendible. Too bad, we don't NEED you any more, Adios, sucker. I'd be amazed if they haven't already begun to move into the situation. And the Monkeys in the Marble Zoo along the Potomac don't see that possibility, either...... or f they have, they've buried it under a ration of Political Correctness.
but in either case, they haven't, and won't, seal the border. "its unamerican". Well, then, so was it for those few brave men to stand their ground against the pommies at Lexington. Ph, but THAT was different... oh, really? WAS it?

 

[Randini]

Bad behavior is rewarded in the USA, look at Washington DC ramming a BS health care package no one wants because they got paid, the congressmen dont care if they get reelected they just a a couple million bucks and will now control 1/5th of the economy. The point being the problem is us, not with Mexico or Mexicans. Our politicians are on the take, they are the ones who let non citizens vote, redraw the district to lock in the demographics, and now want to count prison inmates so they can have more reps in the house. But guess what WE ELECTED THEM! Dont make Mexico the scapegoat.

On the flip side I also agree with your point my anger is just directed somewhere else.

I dont really see Mexicans as scapegoats there are plenty of others abusing the system I just get steamed about it because my wife is still going through the imigration process.

back on topic, I remember my grandfather telling me that during WW2 here on the west coast that black outs were in effect and that the men of town were asked to meet at city hall to go on patrols in case of invasion at night, nowdays I do not think that would be done at all, they just do not want us in the mind set of taking care of ourselfs, so if a flood of people came across the border you might be jailed for going out, staying in and protecting home may be the only option, I went to the minuteman civil defence web site last night and that group may be the best way to go, has anyone had contact with them are there other groups as well organized ?

 

[EZLivin]

No telling what might come down, but the possibilities are not looking good. Anyone know how things are going down in Argentina? I've heard their economy is back on track..... things are growing and developing there after their bank crashes and runaway inflation.

From what I read and hear, Argentina is on the road to recovering quite well. Foreign investment, particularly in the resource sector, is way up. As with any nation, it will be up to the people (who are ultimately responsible for the government they have) to see to it that Argentina is successful.

I highly recommend the book "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" by Fernando Aguirre (I think it has been mentioned in a different thread). It is up to date, and deals specifically with he and his wife's experience during Argentina's currency collapse (truly a SHTF event). Argentina was/is a modern nation, so I think Americans would benefit from the information and opinions in that book.

As a side note, to me the US mid-term elections will tell me just about everything I need to know about our future. If there isn't a MASSIVE housecleaning (on both sides of the isle), and a return to sane fiscal policies that will stimulate Main Street rather than reward investment bank insiders and professional politicians, then I think the Argentine experience will be inevitable (if it isn't already too late).

 

[Gunner3456]

From what I read and hear, Argentina is on the road to recovering quite well. Foreign investment, particularly in the resource sector, is way up. As with any nation, it will be up to the people (who are ultimately responsible for the government they have) to see to it that Argentina is successful.

I highly recommend the book "The Modern Survival Manual: Surviving the Economic Collapse" by Fernando Aguirre (I think it has been mentioned in a different thread). It is up to date, and deals specifically with he and his wife's experience during Argentina's currency collapse (truly a SHTF event). Argentina was/is a modern nation, so I think Americans would benefit from the information and opinions in that book.

As a side note, to me the US mid-term elections will tell me just about everything I need to know about our future. If there isn't a MASSIVE housecleaning (on both sides of the isle), and a return to sane fiscal policies that will stimulate Main Street rather than reward investment bank insiders and professional politicians, then I think the Argentine experience will be inevitable (if it isn't already too late).

Buenos Aires is doing better, but the cattle production and other rural areas haven't recovered at all. Argentina still hasn't stabilized its currency either.

+1 about what the next elections will tell us. There is going to be so much cheating at the polls that the vote against the status quo will need to be overwhelming, imho.

 

[EZLivin]

Buenos Aires is doing better, but the cattle production and other rural areas haven't recovered at all. Argentina still hasn't stabilized its currency either.

+1 about what the next elections will tell us. There is going to be so much cheating at the polls that the vote against the status quo will need to be overwhelming, imho.

Sounds like the sector I follow may be coming along better than some other Argentine sectors. That is unfortunate about cattle production, but those that can hold on will, I think, begin to do better in the not-too-distant future. I know Doug Casey (International Speculator, etc.) has purchased land and cattle in Argentina, and he is pretty darned good on identifying investment trends.

And that's what we better see - "overwhelming" numbers expressing "overwhelming" anger expressed in an "overwhelming" amount of pink slips.

 

[Retired Puddle Pirate]

There is already a national plan in effect, where the armed forces, state and local law enforcement will be given orders from the White house to use deadly force against its own citizens, in the event of the ultimate crash of the dollar. Areas have already been identified as potential airstrike targets, when there is evidence that citizens will begin to defend what's left of their possessions. So any major civil response to the overwhelming overflow of the border, could be interpreted by the Government as "civil unrest" and be met with bombs bought with their own taxes. Whether our own Armed forces and local lawmen will turn against those, they have sworn to protect and serve, remains to be seen.

I don't buy that at all.

The armed forces are not stupid mindless serfs. Neither are the LEOs.

 

[Gunner3456]

I don't buy that at all.

The armed forces are not stupid mindless serfs. Neither are the LEOs.

I keep wondering if our armed forces or LEO's would turn on private citizens here and then I remember Kent State and Katrina and Waco and Idaho and ...

They are pretty ingrained about following orders. I just don't know.

 

[swoop]

I think we will have enough oathkeepers out there to stop that from happening.

 

[Hawaiian]

If it is not by invasion, it will be by the vote. As more become citizens, their vote adds to the other liberals looking for a free ride. This is already happening in some states and it is going to spread. This combined with the current administration scares me more than any possible invasion.

 

[OPAWY]

No.
Anyone who Mans up for his country and sovereignty will be put down by policing forces as a racist terrorist, and you will all exhalt how good it was.

You will all die alone, unless you choose to hang together.
Ask your children who's gang is already in charge in this country. que'
The police are scared s****less of the illegals, but they will surely stop YOUR free association!

I have been there when TSHF before, you had better be sure of the person next to you, and most of all of yourself. All these "tough talking" guys will scatter like rats when the hammer falls, or worse yet, they will work with our oppressors to the demise of us all.

BG

Indeed.

 

[OPAWY]

I think we will have enough oathkeepers out there to stop that from happening.

I pray there are....