Guns shops tired of noobs?

[Nibbs]

Mid 90s during the AWBan folks were looking at "Black Guns" alot.
At a 3Day show in PDX I would place
a Bushy AR 15 on the table w/ a Card Marked "AR 15" & in smaller letters "not m16"
Next to it I would place one of THESE also w/ a Card Saying
"FRENCH M-16"

Folks would look really hard trying to see the connection & then look up w/ a WTF over & I would point to this:














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[Rkangel]

Heal up, Cate!
Wanting to buy a gun, lo and behold, they

1. Have to wait a few days due to the backlog of BGC;
2. Are flabbergasted that they cannot just buy one outright like they saw on 60 Minutes;
3. Questions about when and where the next gun show is so they can utilize the loophole;
4. Loose their shizzle when they find out that their recent DUI results in a BGC denial.

No one was making fun of anyone here. Yet.

Yep. Overheard a similar conversation at a local shop. A first-time buyer was extremely upset that she would have to wait over 2 hours for NICS and couldn't just walk out the door with a gun like she heard on the news. She completely flipped when a CHL customer came in after her and his NICS passed in less than 10 minutes.

 

[Ruger Rich]

I was a Newbie once. (Late 90's when it came to buying my own firearms and not just using my late husband's HOUSE GUN for self defense issues.) ALL of us were at any age of our lives when it comes to firearms or any other subject matter in life.

I had a salesman TRY to tell me and sell me 45acp instead of 45Long Colt for my former NIB Ruger Blackhawk in 45Long Colt (Bought elsewhere back east.) in the late 90's to 2001 (Time frame?) in a BIG famous gun store that had just opened in the state of MI. (It was not my family owned (NOT my family.) gun store where I bought 15 or so guns in my former state.)

I have never owned a 45acp semi automatic pistol and my late husband did not own one but my MT husband did and still does own that firearm caliber.

Anyway, my late husband told the MAN that he should listen to my QUESTION again and pay attention since they were 2 different calibers for my single action revolver. LOL I did NOT own a Blackhawk Convertible in dual cylinders (45acp AND 45Long Colt). I owned a gun purchased for 45Long Colt exclusively, NIB and in the 'New Model' version since the NIB RF and NIB RF Ruger s/a revolvers were ONLY made in the NEW MODEL version when I started to buy all of my firearms (Late 90's and ON.) which were MAINLY in handguns at the time shy of 3 RF rifles back east.

When I bought a SWEET 38Special NIB S&W ON SALE - it could take 38Special and 38Special PLUS P.

My 357Magnum Revolvers in d/a (Smith and Wesson) and in s/a (Ruger) (ALL NIB too.) could use 357Magnum, 38Special PLUS P and my favorite 38Special too obviously.

MY main gun man explained this to me at my store but so did other people (HIGH up in the shooting world - famous men.) PLUS what I had studied/read as a NEWBIE. They said that many OLDER 38Special ONLY guns could not take or shoot PLUS P LOADS due to their frame, design, strength, etc. SAFELY.

I never LOOKED AT or heard much about 38Super until I moved out west and HEARD the term. Obviously it was nothing that interested me way back when or even now. NO offense to any person who LIKES and shoots that caliber.

Plus I no longer shoot handguns.

I would NEVER make fun of a NEWBIE TRYING TO LEARN to buy the proper ammunition EVER. Maybe they should have ASKED a salesman for HELP or they received the WRONG ANSWER (?!) too.

I had seen AMMO for my former late 90's Glock 19 and another Glock 19 out here in various terms as a NEWBIE.

Example: 9mm LUGER AND 9mm PARA BELLUM and as a Newbie who was not at my GUN STORE at the time - I had to double check that I was GETTING THE RIGHT 9mm AMMO since I knew that it could not be returned. SOME factory ammo boxes has it worded BOTH WAYS. I knew what para bellum MEANT in Latin but it confused me when looking at the 9mm factory ammunition boxes since some ammo companies had it worded various ways.

And I was NOT LOOKING AT OR FOR what they call 9mm short or .380 or 9mm Kurz (?) back in the late 90's as a Newbie.

I had THAT ^^^ explained to me since I had to LOOK IT UP for a VETERAN friend who was gifted an OLDER foreign pistol and my MT husband explained it to me. Plus I read some of it here and elsewhere on the WWWeb.

Old Lady Cate

Way to share experience and hit the nail on the head

 

[BuckWallace]

I have felt that is how Tigards NW Armory's employees are more often than not. I very rarely visit them anymore. That store is much too small as well.

I've been to the Milwaukie NW Armory and have always had really great, friendly service, so that's too bad to hear about Tigard. I know what you mean, though. I was browsing at Fisherman's Marine in OC a while ago and you could tell the guy working the gun counter thought he was God's gift to guns.

 

[RVTECH]

she would have to wait over 2 hours for NICS and couldn't just walk out the door with a gun like she heard on the news. She completely flipped when a CHL customer came in after her and his NICS passed in less than 10 minutes.

So what you are saying is this was a KAREN buying a gun?

 

[sobo]

Did she look like this?

 

[RVTECH]

Is this what she looked like?

This pic is getting old - plus I don't quite see her as 100% Karen-esque as some of the others - on the fringe no doubt but with longer hair and in a different 'environment' she might have a chance as something else!

 

[Nibbs]

I've been to the Milwaukie NW Armory and have always had really great, friendly service, so that's too bad to hear about Tigard. I know what you mean, though. I was browsing at Fisherman's Marine in OC a while ago and you could tell the guy working the gun counter thought he was God's gift to guns.

There is some history that reaches out to others on the east side.
30 yrs worth I am familiar with..

 

[GWS]

I was born knowing everything about everything.
The sad thing is I started forgetting it before I learned to talk...

 

[sobo]

This pic is getting old - plus I don't quite see her as 100% Karen-esque as some of the others - on the fringe no doubt but with longer hair and in a different 'environment' she might have a chance as something else!

Well, that pic is of the very woman that began the whole Karen thing. She is the archtype.

 

[orygun]

Moon clips or Garand clips? Sigh........I suppose everyone here was born knowing everything there is to know about guns. Well, except for the noobs writing caliber instead of cartridge.

I forgot about moons, but was going to ask, en-block clips, stripper clips or clip type mags? It wasn't long ago the term "clip magazine" was actually used by some of the manufacturers to differentiate from the tube type. It wasn't until I hit the internet (and this site) that I found people that would wig out at the term clip. However when I hear the word mentioned on the "media" it does raise my hackles.

 

[CLT65]

I remember one of my embarrassing newb moments, a very long time ago. I had gotten my first .22 rifle as a teenager. I studied the books, looking at different cartridges and ballistics. I was confused by the terminology, and noticed that the .22 LR Stinger ammo had higher velocity and was therefore better than regular .22 ammo. I then noticed that .22 Hornet ammo was still much more powerful!

The next time I was in the hardware store, I had the sales guy open the ammo cabinet for me, and go through it looking at the different types. I pointed to the .22 Hornet ammo and told him I wanted those. He patiently explained why I really didn't want those, showed me the difference and why they wouldn't work in my rifle. I was embarrassed, and bought a box of Stingers instead.

 

[awshoot]

I was at the LGS today taking in the devastation of the ammo selection and saw a sign that made me chuckle.
...

I didn't take a picture but last weekend at my LGS, over a decent pile (by today's standards) of 9x18 Makarov, was a sign stating that it will not work in a 9mm Luger. Made me chuckle.

 

[Spitpatch]

@DB is Here yep. We were all "noobs" once. I think some people forget that.

And even more forget that we all still are.

 

[Hueco]

True!
Similarly, I only recently learned how "bore" is measured in big game rifles, as in 2-bore, 4-bore, etc.

Hmmm...what is...the rating system we use for great granddaddy's dementia infused stories of his youth?

 

[tac]

Over here in Merrie Englande we never have your 'noob' problems for a good number of reasons.

1. You can't just waltz into a gun-store and have a fondle of something that takes your fancy - 'snot done like that.

2. Anybody going into a gun-store already knows exactly what calibre ammunition they want - it's what it reads on their Firearms Certificate and no other,

3. ...and how much they can buy at any one time, too. That, too, has set limits.

4. Face-to-face sales only - with the type and amount logged by the vendor right there on your certificate. If you lie about trying to buy more ammunition, say by going into another store and trying to buy another 100 rounds of the same ammunition, then you have tried of obtain ammunition to which you have no entitlement/authorisation. This is classed as a serious criminal offence, NOT a petty crime. It will certainly cost you your Firearms Certificate FAC and a healthy amount out of your bank balance, maybe jail time and a life-ban on acquiring another FAC. It will also prevent you from ever visiting either the USA or Canada again.

See, hereabouts the penalties are not only way OTT, they are part of UK law called 'absolute offences' - IOW, there is no possible defence for them. Guilty of possession or not guilty. Five to ten years jail time for getting it wrong where actual guns are concerned.

The only place that an non-FAC-holder can legally handle a real firearm is at a gun show, or as a guest on a range at one of the monthly guest days.

 

[HaveGun]

Over here in Merrie Englande we never have your 'noob' problems for a good number of reasons.

1. You can't just waltz into a gun-store and have a fondle of something that takes your fancy - 'snot done like that.

2. Anybody going into a gun-store already knows exactly what calibre ammunition they want - it's what it reads on their Firearms Certificate and no other,

3. ...and how much they can buy at any one time, too. That, too, has set limits.

4. Face-to-face sales only - with the type and amount logged by the vendor right there on your certificate. If you lie about trying to buy more ammunition, say by going into another store and trying to buy another 100 rounds of the same ammunition, then you have tried of obtain ammunition to which you have no entitlement/authorisation. This is classed as a serious criminal offence, NOT a petty crime. It will certainly cost you your Firearms Certificate FAC and a healthy amount out of your bank balance, maybe jail time and a life-ban on acquiring another FAC. It will also prevent you from ever visiting either the USA or Canada again.

See, hereabouts the penalties are not only way OTT, they are part of UK law called 'absolute offences' - IOW, there is no possible defence for them. Guilty of possession or not guilty. Five to ten years jail time for getting it wrong where actual guns are concerned.

The only place that an non-FAC-holder can legally handle a real firearm is at a gun show, or as a guest on a range at one of the monthly guest days.

Oh, you mean just like in California?

 

[tac]

Oh, you mean just like in California?

I'll take your word for that. California and I are strangers.

 

[orygun]

And even more forget that we all still are.

A very good friend and mentor replied to my comment about learning something new every day this way.

"If you don't, you're not paying attention."

 

[Travyboy78]

Yeah I got that feeling a few times going there as well except when I've dealt directly with Steve. now Sunset Firearms is the only gun store I use anymore. Prices are little higher on some things and the transfer fee is $5 more than other places I've used but I don't mind, considering the customer service is always good. Gordon always does a great job there, even on the busier days.

Steve was very patient with me as a noob. In turn, I bought many firearms from him during the GunBroker days, and into the NW Armory days.