Other State Guns or marijuana? Some patients will have to make the choice

[v0lcom13sn0w]

id rather be around someone whos smokin weed and has guns than someone who is drinking or someone who is prescribed anxiety/depression medication and has guns

 

[Hawaiian]

The Washington County Sheriff denied a medical marijuana card holder a CHL. He sued and an Oregon Court ruled that was not a valid reason to deny a CHL. So I guess he can have a CHL, but Federal law prohibits him from owning a gun to carry!

 

[Argonaut]

id rather be around someone whos smokin weed and has guns than someone who is drinking or someone who is prescribed anxiety/depression medication and has guns

Why would you want to be around any of those people.......this isn't either or.

 

[Blowgunner]

Why would you want to be around any of those people.......this isn't either or.

How is it not?
Are you saying people prescribed anti depressants or pain killers shouldn't own firearms?

 

[Argonaut]

How is it not?
Are you saying people prescribed anti depressants or pain killers shouldn't own firearms?

I could be convinced to go there.......if suicide is illegal........why would you give a depressed person a gun? and if pain killers are mood altering.......why not? It is a consistent arguement with the gun is an nutrual inanimate machine.....it is the person behind it that can be a problem. That is the logic of controlling who can own guns that we as a society employ by not allowing mentally ill, domestic abusers, and felons from owning guns.

 

[RoktJSqwirl]

And bacon will most likely kill me first, from being stoned and having the munchies for breakfast sandwiches. Ok you win! Pot made me eat to much bacon! And will kill me.

Another preventable drug-related death

 

[The Heretic]

I am borderline Aspergers - probably over the line if I went in to a specialist and bothered to get diagnosed. Does that make me mentally ill?

At least one (possibly two) of the school shooters had Aspergers and some people tried to link that with a motive for the shootings.

Does that make me dangerous to the point that I should not have any guns?

Most people who have a mental illness are not a danger to themselves or others. What about vets and others with PTSD?

There have been anti-gunners who say any person who would want a gun is by definition mentally ill. There you have it, the perfect reasoning to ban all gun ownership; any mentally ill person should not have a gun and any person who would want a gun is mentally ill.

There is a lot of stereotyping going on in this thread. Stop and think before you make an assertion about people who you probably know nothing about.

FWIW - I have opiate painkillers in my house - prescribed for pain. On average, I use maybe one or two pills a year at most (I used two a couple months ago when a chiropractor adjusted my neck and left it in an unstable state). I don't drive or operate machinery or shoot guns when I am on narcotics - I am usually home relaxing to get rid of the pain. I don't use marijuana, but I would like to use CBD for my low grade pain - there are often times when I can't do some physical things or even walk because it causes pain that is not tolerable. CBD, being a byproduct of marijuana (without the THC which is narcotic) is also lumped in with marijuana as a controlled substance.

 

[The Heretic]

I could be convinced to go there.......if suicide is illegal........why would you give a depressed person a gun? and if pain killers are mood altering.......why not? It is a consistent arguement with the gun is an nutrual inanimate machine.....it is the person behind it that can be a problem. That is the logic of controlling who can own guns that we as a society employ by not allowing mentally ill, domestic abusers, and felons from owning guns.

Suicide should not be illegal, and assisted suicide is not illegal in Orygun. If you don't control your own life or death, then do you own it? I watched my father die from cancer - I was there when he took his last breath. He suffered for days. If it were up to me I would have let him go sooner. I saw my grandfather become a vegetable in a nursing home for years - again, I would have let him go much sooner had it been up to me. When it comes time for me, I have an understanding with my daughter to let me go before that time.

 

[Blowgunner]

I could be convinced to go there.......if suicide is illegal........why would you give a depressed person a gun? and if pain killers are mood altering.......why not? It is a consistent arguement with the gun is an nutrual inanimate machine.....it is the person behind it that can be a problem. That is the logic of controlling who can own guns that we as a society employ by not allowing mentally ill, domestic abusers, and felons from owning guns.

So you're more than happy to relinquish your guns if you get prescribed pain killers?

 

[The Heretic]

WATCH: FOX News Anti-Marijuana Propaganda Exposed on Live TV by Their Own 'Expert'

 

[CombatMechanic]

WATCH: FOX News Anti-Marijuana Propaganda Exposed on Live TV by Their Own 'Expert'

bubblegum Fox

 

[billdeserthills]

The Washington County Sheriff denied a medical marijuana card holder a CHL. He sued and an Oregon Court ruled that was not a valid reason to deny a CHL. So I guess he can have a CHL, but Federal law prohibits him from owning a gun to carry!

Federal gov't can only try to stop someone from buying a gun from a dealer, not from owning a gun

 

[RailwayMan]

Guns or marijuana? Some patients will have to make the choice

Be smart. "Just Say No" and if asked, reply "Nancy told me to say it ..."

 

[Argonaut]

So you're more than happy to relinquish your guns if you get prescribed pain killers?

The only time I took mood altering pain killers, the made me deathly ill.......the gun's remained in the safe and I remained in bed. I would do nothing while under the influence of anything.

 

[Argonaut]

Suicide should not be illegal, and assisted suicide is not illegal in Orygun. If you don't control your own life or death, then do you own it? I watched my father die from cancer - I was there when he took his last breath. He suffered for days. If it were up to me I would have let him go sooner. I saw my grandfather become a vegetable in a nursing home for years - again, I would have let him go much sooner had it been up to me. When it comes time for me, I have an understanding with my daughter to let me go before that time.

That is simply the way of life........the moment you are born, something will eventually kill you. Some methods are easier than others. It is too bad that your people had such a difficult end...... but they are not alone. A good friend of mine (an retired Cal fire captain) lost his entire family from cancer.....including his wife and inlaws.....his saying was the more he sees of cancer, the better a heart attack looks. But it still doesn't support the societal rules we have established making suicide illegal. The concepts and rules have come down through Millennia. As the councilors say, it is a permanent solution to a short term problem. If you want to avoid pain, it is best to die quickly when young.

 

[Blowgunner]

The only time I took mood altering pain killers, the made me deathly ill.......the gun's remained in the safe and I remained in bed. I would do nothing while under the influence of anything.

That's wasn't the question. It's a pretty simple question.

ETA: What you experienced with pain killers, happens to a lot of people, and is exactly the reason why many people have gone to CBD... Food for thought.

 

[Mecanik]

The difference is you can drink a beer without being a drunk. The only reason to use recreational drugs is to get high. That fact alone is reason enough for the seemingly double standard.

I agree..........

 

[DuneHopper]

Lets address a few myths.

1. Pot is harmless, wrong. In fact most pot users neglect the fact that many develop lung cancer the records on this are just now being known because for along time now people were not honest with its use when speaking with doctors.
   
2. Pot is the same as drinking, also wrong. With quadrupling and more of THC levels people are showing up with over doses in the ER and many are reporting severe withdrawls something not seen in the past.
   
3. Pot helps with pain, right and wrong, getting high does not address the pain in the body, THC makes you high, CBD helps with pain and doesn't make you high. So one could use pot and not get high if they wanted to.

That all said its not the business of the government to dictate what a person does, yep they do it to us all the time and this is why they get away with it. Me I think pot is a bad idea and it takes just as long to repair brain cells from Pot as it does Alcohol.
The big selling point in Oregon was legalize it, as its harmless that is a lie, there is a huge increase in ER visits over pot and its use.
In contrast drinking related stays about the same

 

[Argonaut]

Lets address a few myths.

1. Pot is harmless, wrong. In fact most pot users neglect the fact that many develop lung cancer the records on this are just now being known because for along time now people were not honest with its use when speaking with doctors.
   
2. Pot is the same as drinking, also wrong. With quadrupling and more of THC levels people are showing up with over doses in the ER and many are reporting severe withdrawls something not seen in the past.
   
3. Pot helps with pain, right and wrong, getting high does not address the pain in the body, THC makes you high, CBD helps with pain and doesn't make you high. So one could use pot and not get high if they wanted to.

That all said its not the business of the government to dictate what a person does, yep they do it to us all the time and this is why they get away with it. Me I think pot is a bad idea and it takes just as long to repair brain cells from Pot as it does Alcohol.
The big selling point in Oregon was legalize it, as its harmless that is a lie, there is a huge increase in ER visits over pot and its use.
In contrast drinking related stays about the same

I agree with the caveat that society (government) has the right and responsibility to set laws and standards for itself. Be it murder or less serious offenses. In our representative republic we have control over the laws that get passed but few people take the time or energy to do so until it directly effects them.

 

[DuneHopper]

I agree with the caveat that society (government) has the right and responsibility to set laws and standards for itself. Be it murder or less serious offenses. In our representative republic we have control over the laws that get passed but few people take the time or energy to do so until it directly effects them.

Right you are brother. right you are.
Here are a few big laws that passed and people were oblivious to the consequences.

• Nafta,
• Income Tax, was passed but is illegal to pay on it twice State and Feds and Evidence strongly suggests that the 16th Amendment, which establishes the income tax, was not approved properly as required by the Constitution and was fraudulently ratified.
  
• Property Tax, in fact this is highly illegal as it takes away due process to these fees. Not only that a full assessment shall be presented before any charges are levied.
  
• 1777 Abolishing womens right to vote, really took its toll and as we see that one simple law they thought allowed feminism to launch today.
• Our waffling immigration laws, are not clear, and change every 20 years or so.
• Patriot Act, need I say more.
• Rockefeller drug laws, was the beginning of imprisoning petty drug crimes in prison not jail opened the system to privatized abused system we have today.
• BLM Policies that have allowed forests to be choked with debris showing a huge increase in wild fires.

The list is so long its not funny, of laws passed and we sat by watching them.
If this had been the 1700 it would be civil war time, but we write letters and when we feel like it show up to vote. Makes one wonder with Marijuana, had it stayed legal it would probably be a semi non-issue like Alcohol is to a point.