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Guns in the workplace

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by elsie, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Good article, thanks for posting it!

    Pertaining to the article, IMHO if an employer can mandate what an employee can and can't have in their car while on the job, then they should be legally responsible and liable to provide for the security of that employee.

    The same goes for any "gun free" business that is open to the general public concerning their customers while on their property. You can have your little fantasy of a perfect world and ignore reality if you want, but you need to "pay to play" if your so adamant about it.

    Concealed means concealed, and I won't be at ANYONE'S mercy when faced with personal self-defense... Ever.
     
  3. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Agree, it was a good article with facts and unbiased.

    It should also make the stupid people, bullies and practical jokers think before they pull stupid effin games on good people who are trying to do a good job at work!!!

    Where is the common decency that used to exist in America?
     
  4. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    The decency is still there, it just doesn't make for "good news", or entertainment like a house full of sluts acting like they were just pulled from the trailer park in Camden County.

    ;)
     
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  5. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I've always taken the stance that if you take away my means of protecting myself, YOU are now responsible for my safety. I can't carry at my place of employment, so MY position is they are now responsible, and IF something were to happen they would have a nice lawsuit on their hands.

    Does anyone know if this position has been tested in the courts? If something were to happen at my work, would I even have a legal leg to stand on?
     
  6. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Ive been letting my past/current employers (second job) know that a lawsuit for my bodily harm or death (doled out by family) is whats coming should anything happen since they forced me to disarm and certainly don't/didn't provide protection.
     
  7. Koda

    Koda Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    and what what the response?
     
  8. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    From the low level managerial minions?
    A chuckle and a confused look when they realize Im not at all joking.
    Which is usually followed by someone telling me that wont ever happen and police response time is only a few mins away.. Etc.
    From corporate, (the two times Ive wrote a letter) nothing. Not even a response.

    So with that I feel like Ill record the next interaction as it comes up and use that along with my two copies of my sent letters to give to my lawyer in the event of an injury or death
    (dealt by family). I feel a strong case could be made.. But then again, the courts tend to not see things logically. So who knows.
     
  9. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    It would be a civil matter, and on the surface has merit.
     
  10. 1200bruce

    1200bruce Port Angeles WA Active Member

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    I can't pack at the hospital I work at.
     
  11. DeanfromOregon

    DeanfromOregon Wilsonville Amateur Ascended Master Platinum Supporter

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    Blame the HR ladies and the insurance companies.
     
  12. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    You might get away with cc if you wore real pants instead of those little green thingy :)
     
  13. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Must be their "policy" because there's no law prohibiting carry in a hospital like there is in OR. One hospital here in Vancouver posts their entrances, the other doesn't. I've CC's in both.


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  14. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    The law against carrying in hospitals in Oregon doesn't apply to CHL holders.
     
  15. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    The policy (not law) would however apply to hospital employees and he did say he worked at one.


    elsie
     
  16. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Exactly!


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  17. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    Of course. But deen_ad said it was against the law to carry into a hospital in Oregon, and any "the law says...." statement should include all applicable parts, which in this case would include the exception for CHL holders. Saying that carrying in a hospital is illegal without mentioning the CHL exemption is a half-truth; we should all strive to spread the whole truth.
     
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  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    It IS against the law UNLESS you have a CHL. So I should have added that to my post. And yes, I have both WA CPL and OR CHL licenses.

    Now, if you're through picking nits we can continue with the discussion!


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  19. The Courier

    The Courier Newberg, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I'm of the opinion that no employer should be able to fire an employee for carrying concealed, how ever take a look at some the people you work with. would you feel comfortable with every one of them packing? For now get some thick pants with deep pockets, (Dickies and Carharts work for me). If an employer finds out and fires me oh well, I value my life and the lives of those around me alot more than a $9.50/hr position.
     
  20. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I loath the parking lot prohibition. If you are like me, I run all kinds of errands after I get out of work.

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