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Good thing someone had a gun on them. This is why you should to carry a gun everywhere you go. This guy probably thought he was going to walk into a church like the guy in the New Zealand and have easy pickins.
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Gunman Opens Fire at Texas Church and Is Shot Dead by Parishioners
A gunman opened fire in a Texas church during services on Sunday and was then shot by “heroic” parishioners who prevented a bloodbath, law enforcement officials said.Two people, including the shooter, were killed and a third person was in critical condition.“Evil walked boldly among us,” Tarrant...
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Talk about being in a "white" space. Meaning, at church maybe reflecting on your week or your family and then this happened. At the mall or someplace else you may have your head on a swivel but at church at the end of the year it's unfortunate yet understandable. A question I have is, was the shooter known to people at the church. How long would you hesitate if "Hank" the usher bust out with a shotgun?
Thank God that church either had people or were open to people carrying. My sister in California recently visited a church in Texas and said there were people carrying. The pastor even said, be nice to the visiting Californians, they aren't use to this.
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The video of the incident is online. As soon as the gunman with the shotgun opens fire on two parishioners a third parishioner in the back fires and knocks him out with the first shot. Emphasizes the importance of training and preparation. Many people are alive because that parishioner carried his gun and was able to skillfully use it.
John C. does some excellent vids. His "evidence based" analysis is a treasure trove of good info. Wow, he is out quick with this one.
I get annoyed with IDPA for spending so much time on longer shots, but I guess that's what we need more practice doing.
It's Texas...
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I noticed the gentleman that was sitting when this started had to get up before his draw... it looked like maybe small of the back carry? That cost him his life.
His draw looked slow, or fumbling, but maybe he was deciding whether to go against the drawn gun. We'll never know.
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I wonder what the motive was? Personal grudge? Didn't like folks from that particular sect? One would have to be pretty screwed up to walk into a house of worship and do that. At least the perp is no more.
Unless it is for someone else (e.g., wedding, funeral, etc.), I don't attend any kind of house of worship, but I would pack if I did. No place is safe from warped people.
Here's hoping their community can heal up after such a horrific attack and that the wounded fellow pulls through.
Unless it is for someone else (e.g., wedding, funeral, etc.), I don't attend any kind of house of worship, but I would pack if I did. No place is safe from warped people.
Here's hoping their community can heal up after such a horrific attack and that the wounded fellow pulls through.
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I think I counted 14 or 15 steps the good guy took when approaching the scumbag.
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Here's a pretty good article out of Dallas.
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Gunman kills 2 at White Settlement church before member fatally shoots him
For the latest developments in this case, read: Authorities identify gunman, victims in White Settlement church attack Clarification, 4:30 p.m., Dec. 31, 2019: ...
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He said he usually doesn't do this but it was a church and the good guys won.John C. does some excellent vids. His "evidence based" analysis is a treasure trove of good info. Wow, he is out quick with this one.
I get annoyed with IDPA for spending so much time on longer shots, but I guess that's what we need more practice doing.
It's Texas...
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I noticed the gentleman that was sitting when this started had to get up before his draw... it looked like maybe small of the back carry? That cost him his life.
His draw looked slow, or fumbling, but maybe he was deciding whether to go against the drawn gun. We'll never know.
And in case you don't know he was a pastor.
Had his own church.
You can see he is very upset at the beginning of the video
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They're saying security shot the guy. Really? Looked like parishioners to me.
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Hop Sling's article link above notes that it was the church security team, so I would think parishioners who volunteered.
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So it may be a play on words to keep the argument that only "trained security" should have guns then. There's always some wiggle room.
Right? Dreads flying - and background splatter.
Did you see his follow through? Muzzle didn't flinch - stayed on target. Pretty icy and calm as hell.
I'm betting he's done this before.
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They are often the same. Many churches have internal security measures including armed and diligent parishers, including police, former police, and/or military or former military.
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Evidence shows they need it.
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I was thinking that but after surveying various news reports, I think it is mostly the twitter account that was linked above and ABC who are running with that narrative, although, Slate only makes vague references toward the end of the article (most news agencies used active language clearly stating something like "parishioners killed the bad guy" -- I guess the WSJ also used passive language but at least more clear than Slate's).
- ABC: "armed parishioners including a security guard": 3 dead including suspect in shooting at Texas church
- CBS" "Another parishioner shot and killed the gunman seconds after the incident began," Two victims killed and suspect dead in Texas church shooting
- Fox: "before two "heroic" parishioners shot and killed him at the scene" Texas church shooting: Gunman kills 2, 'heroic' parishioners take down shooter | Fox News
- NBC: "The gunman was killed as members of the congregation returned fire" Three dead, including gunman, in shooting at Texas church
- NPR: "a church member returned fire and killed him" Texas Church Shooter Kills 1, Injures Another Before Being Killed By Parishioner
- WSJ: "gunman also died at the scene after members of the church returned fire" Texas Church Shooting Leaves Two Dead, One Wounded
- BBC: "a member of the congregation returned fire with a handgun, immediately felling the attacker" Texas church shooting: One killed before gunman shot dead by churchgoer
- Huffington Post: "before being fatally shot by an armed churchgoer" Shooting At Texas Church Leaves Several People Dead
- MSN: "before a member of church security fatally shot him" Texas Church Shooting: 2 Dead and 1 Critically Wounded in White Settlement
- NY Daily News: "killing two before being fatally shot by two 'heroic' parishioners" 3 killed, including gunman, in Texas church shooting during live-streamed service
- NY Post: "before being slain by parishioners" Texas church shooting leaves 2 dead, including gunman
- SLATE: "Law enforcement officials praised the congregants who confronted the gunman and prevented him from continuing the assault." (at end of article though) Shooting at Texas Church Leaves Two Dead, Including Gunman
- WA Post: I have that site blocked, maybe someone else could look.
- NY Times: I have that site blocked, maybe someone else could look.
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Can't edit, but ABC has updated their article: "ABC: "after the members, who wer [sic] part of the church's security team, had ended the attack."
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Correct. Where I attend there are ushers who are LEO, former LEO or have training. Many as of late are putting more emphasis on formalizing a security detail. Coms, positioning, walk arounds inside and outside.
They know me, my hobbies and know I'm there too along with a dozen others in the crowd.
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The shooter pos is dead!
No trial
No 'years in jail'
No taxpayer funded appeals
Yadda..yadda...yadda
rest in hell you fnin scumbag
Just a shame the other gun owners didn't have to go clean their weapons... Practice makes perfect ya know..
Dan
No trial
No 'years in jail'
No taxpayer funded appeals
Yadda..yadda...yadda
rest in hell you fnin scumbag
Just a shame the other gun owners didn't have to go clean their weapons...
Practice makes perfect ya know..Dan
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