Driving the speed limit

[Bam]

Oh, and I just want to leave this right here:

Prius driver. By themselves. Wearing a facemask.

Discuss

Most annoying drivers on the road.

Typical Prius driver: I'll go 10 mph under the speed limit, because I am being super eco! Damn the people stuck behind me!

How dare you pass me! You can't do that! Now I am going to show you by riding your bumper going 10 mph over the speed limit!

 

[Alexx1401]

Making several trips back and fourth from Portland and Idaho I have developed a deep hate for people who go the speed limit in the left lane or won't move over for people wanting to pass. And it's not lazy people, it is self righteous butt heads trying to play traffic cop and purposely blocking the left lane.

If you want to drive the speed limit, or drive to conserve gas, stay in the right lane. If you are not passing anyone or won't move over, you have no business being in the left lane. It's not your right to block the left lane just because you feel like it.

THIS!!!
Nothing will raise my BP faster than morons who decide they should "police the roads". I am sure the ones doing this are the same ones who LOVED the mask thing. Running around telling anyone who was not mask on face to do so. Sadly a LOT of people just can't live their life, they LOVE to try to tell everyone else how to live too.

 

[Alexx1401]

As a general rule you can exceed the speed limit by 10%. At least for the bazillion years I have been driving.

Most LEO's will tell you 10 over BUT, that is NOT a hard and fast rule. A lot will depend on the person and the day they are having. Also GREATLY depends on the jurisdiction.We have one small one here as a prime example called Fircrest. They are infamous for passing out citations for a few over. Citations not warnings. For decades I have made a point of NEVER going through the place unless I can not avoid it and then watch my speed VERY close.

 

[fd15k]

THIS!!!
Nothing will raise my BP faster than morons who decide they should "police the roads". I am sure the ones doing this are the same ones who LOVED the mask thing. Running around telling anyone who was not mask on face to do so. Sadly a LOT of people just can't live their life, they LOVE to try to tell everyone else how to live too.

Public roads are a shared resource intended for safe use by everyone. While I do not advocate that anyone other than cops "polices" the road, I do encourage people to follow the rules and ignore unreasonable demands from the individuals like you. Feel free to drive whichever way you like in your private driveway, but your behavior on the public roads directly affects everyone else on the same road, potentially putting them in danger. So at the very least be prepared to receive the criticism, because it's not really an example of "nobody's business."

 

[coop44]

I stated 10 PERCENT over, so 60 or so in a 55, and your odds of getting pulled over are slim. As long as there are 'tards out there passing me like I'm standing still I feel especially safe too. For those "special" folks who pull up behind me tailgating, when they could just pass, I slow down. When they finally pass, I smile,wave, and blow em a kiss. Yeah I suppose I'm a bit of a dick.

Coming back from the bay area last year, about 3am south of olympia 10 miles I got pulled over. He asked me how fast I thought I was going, I told him "Oh about 82" , he says " sounds about right" he spotted my jacket from my security job in the car, asked me a few questions about my job and whether I was armed on the job. He also saw my on drivers license I was a veteran, thanked me for my service and told me to slow down "a bit". Let me go on my way. Actually I needed the break. I had gone 700 miles that day with 60 to go.

 

[Alexx1401]

Public roads are a shared resource intended for safe use by everyone. While I do not advocate that anyone other than cops "polices" the road, I do encourage people to follow the rules and ignore unreasonable demands from the individuals like you. Feel free to drive whichever way you like in your private driveway, but your behavior on the public roads directly affects everyone else on the same road, potentially putting them in danger. So at the very least be prepared to receive the criticism, because it's not really an example of "nobody's business."

Not sure if you just did not bother to read what I wrote, or this touched a nerve because you love to "police the road"?

I stay to the right unless I am passing. People who feel they "need" to block others from passing them cause a lot of trouble. This will set off road rage and does often get someone killed. Now if that's "your thing"? Hell go for it and tell yourself you are doing the public a service.

 

[fd15k]

Not sure if you just did not bother to read what I wrote, or this touched a nerve because you love to "police the road"?

I stay to the right unless I am passing. People who feel they "need" to block others from passing them cause a lot of trouble. This will set off road rage and does often get someone killed. Now if that's "your thing"? Hell go for it and tell yourself you are doing the public a service.

I said it earlier: rules first, then convenience. I am not going to prevent you from doing stupid stuff, but I am pointing out why you doing stupid stuff may concern other people, even if it's not obvious to you.

 

[Alexx1401]

I stated 10 PERCENT over, so 60 or so in a 55, and your odds of getting pulled over are slim. As long as there are 'tards out there passing me like I'm standing still I feel especially safe too. For those "special" folks who pull up behind me tailgating, when they could just pass, I slow down. When they finally pass, I smile,wave, and blow em a kiss. Yeah I suppose I'm a bit of a dick.

My morning commute some times the right lane is going 10 or even 15 over. If I am in the middle of the pack I will just follow along at whatever the pack in going. Just do not want to be the first car or the last car in the pack.
If the pack is not there like when I roll in at night or on the weekends I set it between the pins, so just over and stay to the right. I do get more enjoyment than I should passing the people on the side of the road getting a love letter from some Trooper.
Watch out when passing through some of the very small incorporated area's as many of them do not have a tax base to support them. Citing drivers is how they survive. Fircrest for one often reminds me of that old Tom T Hall song.

 

[Flopsweat]

Public roads are a shared resource intended for safe use by everyone. While I do not advocate that anyone other than cops "polices" the road, I do encourage people to follow the rules and ignore unreasonable demands from the individuals like you. Feel free to drive whichever way you like in your private driveway, but your behavior on the public roads directly affects everyone else on the same road, potentially putting them in danger. So at the very least be prepared to receive the criticism, because it's not really an example of "nobody's business."

Is it unreasonable to expect people to get to the right when they're not passing? Of course not, if nothing else out of common courtesy. I can tell you that California, for all of its faults, had a very effective system. If you weren't doing 75 in the fast lane, you'd get harassed out of it. People would tailgate you, drive around you, cut you off, blow horns at you, you name it. And if CHP caught you holding things up, they'd light you up. At the very least, they'd escort you back to the number 1 lane. If you were going egregiously slow, they'd pull you over and ticket you.

It's all well and good to talk kumbaya and flower power in your own home or on the internet, but when you get out in the real world there are real people with places to go and bubblegum to get done. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

 

[Alexx1401]

Is it unreasonable to expect people to get to the right when they're not passing? Of course not, if nothing else out of common courtesy. I can tell you that California, for all of its faults, had a very effective system. If you weren't doing 75 in the fast lane, you'd get harassed out of it. People would tailgate you, drive around you, cut you off, blow horns at you, you name it. And if CHP caught you holding things up, they'd light you up. At the very least, they'd escort you back to the number 1 lane. If you were going egregiously slow, they'd pull you over and ticket you.

It's all well and good to talk kumbaya and flower power in your own home or on the internet, but when you get out in the real world there are real people with places to go and bubblegum to get done. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

This sadly again is just like the mask police. People who DESPERATELY want to have power over others. They of course tell themselves and others they are just doing this as a "service" to the world. It all comes down to the same thing. They want to be able to tell others how to live.
They will do things like block the left lane as a "service" to the world. When they cause a major wreck they of course are seldom on the receiving end sadly. Some other innocent gets hit by the person the one doing the public service pissed off. Self appointed pace setter drives off smirking.

 

[RicInOR]

Typical Prius driver: I'll go 10 mph under the speed limit, because I am being super eco! Damn the people stuck behind me!

Another peeve, I think I mentioned I have many, are all the electric / hybrids who slow about 2miles before a red light so I cant' make the pocket to get the signal for a turn. OK a 1/4 mile, but the issue stands.
Your hyper-mileing may very well be impeding traffic.

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[CLT65]

I drive on the more conservative end of "go with the flow". Sometimes when traffic is bad on the interstate, instead of trying to "run with the packs", I'll just tuck in behind a truck and cruise along slow for a while. It's actually a nice break at times. There have been times when I was younger that I thought I needed to push it, pedal to the medal. I tend to be overly logical in general, and came to the mathematical conclusion after a while that it really wasn't worth it.

For example, let's say you're on a country road somewhere, behind a slowpoke who wants to put along at 50mph, when you'd rather do 60. You're stuck behind him for ten miles. Super aggravating, of course, and this jerk is wasting your time. How much time, really? Two minutes! The aggravation and rage many would have from being slowed down would take far more time off their lifespan than a measly two minutes. I don't like to be slowed down any more than anyone else, but when it's unavoidable I've learned to just relax and roll with it.

That said, I try my very best to not get in anyone's way. If they want to drive faster than me, I get out of their way and let them go, first chance I get. It doesn't bother me in the slightest to be passed; I'll even slow down and hug the shoulder to let them by.

I'm not a fan of aggressive drivers- people who seem to think that they're special, better than the rest of us; the rules don't apply to them and every second of their precious time is worth more than my life. I'm not going to try to play cop though, or "teach them a lesson"; that's stupid. I have a rule in life- "Stay away from crazy". I just get out of their way and let them do their thing. The world is full of all kinds, and you're not going to single-handedly change the world. All you can do is look out for your own safety.

I completely agree about driving in the left lane. A police officer friend once told me that he would write tickets for impeding traffic in the left lane, even someone going the speed limit. He'd write a ticket on the guy speeding too, when he got the chance, but that was between him and the speeder, and not the business of the slow-poke in the fast lane.

On the other hand, the lead-foot who flies up behind me and swerves around me on the right before I have a chance to even move over is an outright idiot. Someone did that to me just a couple days ago and nearly caused an accident. I am very aware of traffic around me while driving, and am very conscientious to move over quickly. I saw the guy coming up, so I flipped on my blinker and moved over. He moved over at the same time while accelerating and nearly hit me. I can't stand people who drive like that.

 

[bkroger86]

Stay to the right, except to pass. That's the only speed limit on an interstate/highway that matters.

As far as avoiding tickets goes, using radar plus Waze will cover most scenarios. If you're seasoned, you already know where they like to camp, where to look for marked cars and the tell-tale signs of an unmarked car.

 

[gmerkt]

What's going to happen with SelfDriving cars?

There will be a lot more work for attorneys.

I don't actually KNOW about that (as I haven't researched the law here in WA).

Here is is:

RCW 46.61.100

Subparagraphs (2) and (4) in particular. (4) uses the word, "impeding."

(2) and (2)(a) establish the primary lane priorities.

Yet (2)(b) specifically says the left lane may be used when travelling at a speed greater than the traffic flow. Which reinforces the basic rule of staying to the right unless passing. There have been questions posted in the newspaper about this. The idea basically is, let the law worry about those people breaking the speed limit; you stay out of their way.

Wash. state does not have a minimum speed law; it's left to the discretion of enforcement officers. RCW 46.61.425.

While we're at it, how about big rigs pulling out into the passing lane and remaining there. I'm starting to see this happen on roads with three or more traffic lanes in the same direction. Subparagraph (3) of the above outlaws this practice except for preparing to make left turns. And big rigs getting in the number one lane on a two lane highway and staying there blocking traffic (I've seen a bit of this, too), they are violating the basic subpara. (2). Or staying in the number two lane on a three lane highway (reference last sentence in subpara (2)). I know why some of them do this; anticipation of getting slowed down by traffic backed up in the right lane, waiting to go down an off-ramp. They get over there in the "faster" lane and stay there to avoid the slow-down or the inconvenience of changing lanes.

Seems to me that in years past, big rigs would tend to trundle along, matching the speed of other trucks. These days, I'm seeing a lot more competition between trucks over one or two miles an hour.

Where there are HOV (or toll) lanes, these don't count for lane priority purposes with the "regular" lanes. They are their own roadway. This is also in subpara (3). Which means if you're doing 60 (or whatever the max. speed limit is), you don't have to speed up because the guy behind you wants to go 95. They are HOV lanes, not high speed lanes.

I use the speed controller on freeways as much as possible, and usually have it set for 5 mph over the posted limit. But it is the erratic driver that bugs me as much as those camped in the passing lane. It's probably a good thing I don't have a loudspeaker in my truck, as I'd be telling them to get off the phone and pick a speed, any speed.

This is one of the reasons I don't favor speeding. Because if I can get over in the right lane, I have a better chance of being able to maintain a constant speed that allows the use of the feature. Because it often happens that no matter how fast you go in the left lane, there is always some knucklehead who wants to go faster than you do. If you're doing 95, there is someone who wants to do 98 mph. Just because he can't stand having another car in front of him no matter how fast the other guy is going.

I drive on the more conservative end of "go with the flow". Sometimes when traffic is bad on the interstate, instead of trying to "run with the packs", I'll just tuck in behind a truck and cruise along slow for a while. It's actually a nice break at times.

That keeping up with the pack thing can involve a lot of tension.

Modern driving is more about competition for pavement than it is about transportation.

 

[ma96782]

RE : Post #54

Thank you for your post and link.

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Now, that being said......I think that section 4, is more appropriate to the (newly morphed) discussion.

(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.

So anyway...... Again that word. "Impedes." AND, there is also the part about........."Drive Continuously."

So..... "Given the totality of the statute." I get it that the left lane, in the case of multiple lanes headed in the same direction, was meant to......get people to use the left lane "strictly for overtaking." Call it a temporary situation/lane to be used strictly for overtaking. LOL. With "traffic and congestion today".......yeah, good luck with that. So then...... It introduces a "situation." Where people in the real world.......continuously drive at speeds greater than the set/posted speed limit in the left lane. Yeah. And "thinking" that speeding continuously (with the flow of traffic) is OK, as long as it's done in the left lane and while not slowing the possible "other drivers" also in the left lane (behind). IMHO.......WRONG.

That being said......

RCW 46.61.400

Basic rule and maximum limits.

(1) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event speed shall be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle or other conveyance on or entering the highway in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to use due care.
(2) Except when a special hazard exists that requires lower speed for compliance with subsection (1) of this section, the limits specified in this section or established as hereinafter authorized shall be maximum lawful speeds, and no person shall drive a vehicle on a highway at a speed in excess of such maximum limits.
(a) Twenty-five miles per hour on city and town streets;
(b) Fifty miles per hour on county roads;
(c) Sixty miles per hour on state highways.
The maximum speed limits set forth in this section may be altered as authorized in RCW 46.61.405, 46.61.410, and 46.61.415.
(3) The driver of every vehicle shall, consistent with the requirements of subsection (1) of this section, drive at an appropriate reduced speed when approaching and crossing an intersection or railway grade crossing, when approaching and going around a curve, when approaching a hill crest, when traveling upon any narrow or winding roadway, and when special hazard exists with respect to pedestrians or other traffic or by reason of weather or highway conditions.

*why the red color and why did the paragraphs get all _____? Anyway.....yeah.....I $@#* at editing.

"Reasonable and Prudent."
Q: Is speeding in and of itself = "reasonable and prudent?"
A : My simple answer is, NOPE.

IMHO......
I'd say/contend that.....
Extra care and caution....is required and should be exercised, when exceeding the posted speed limit (for whatever the reason).

Does it REALLY happen that way in real life? NOPE.

SPEED KILLS!

So then, IMHO the reality is that......RCW 46.61.100 opened the door to even more questions. Like?

What would be/defined as/considered to be, "continuously driving?"
How much/faster over the stated speed limit, would be "reasonable" to overtake another driver (driving in the right lane or even the left lane)?
Is it automatically the case, that speeding to overtake someone else is always acceptable?
Then.......since it's expected that the driver is "supposed" to get back into the right lane to travel. How long of a travel distance (or time) is allowed, to use the left lane when overtaking?
And, "Traffic Flow." So then, if everyone (or say that most everyone) is going 75 mph in a posted 65 mph zone......is it automatically OK to speed too?

IMHO, with that all being said......Section 46.61.100......is supposed to/meant to, codify a temporary use of the left lane for "overtaking only." LOL.....thank you or not.....to the WA Legislature.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Flopsweat]

RE : Post #54

Thank you for your post and link.

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++++++

Now, that being said......I think that section 4, is more appropriate to the (newly morphed) discussion.

So anyway...... Again that word. "Impedes." AND, there is also the part about........."Drive Continuously."

So..... "Given the totality of the statute." I get it that the left lane, in the case of multiple lanes headed in the same direction, was meant to......get people to use the left lane "strictly for overtaking." Call it a temporary situation/lane to be used strictly for overtaking. LOL. With "traffic and congestion today".......yeah, good luck with that. So then...... It introduces a "situation." Where people in the real world.......continuously drive at speeds greater than the set/posted speed limit in the left lane. Yeah. And "thinking" that speeding continuously (with the flow of traffic) is OK, as long as it's done in the left lane and while not slowing the possible "other drivers" also in the left lane (behind). IMHO.......WRONG.

That being said......



*why the red color and why did the paragraphs get all _____? Anyway.....yeah.....I $@#* at editing.

"Reasonable and Prudent."
Q: Is speeding in and of itself = "reasonable and prudent?"
A : My simple answer is, NOPE.

IMHO......
I'd say/contend that.....
Extra care and caution....is required and should be exercised, when exceeding the posted speed limit (for whatever the reason).

Does it REALLY happen that way in real life? NOPE.

SPEED KILLS!

So then, IMHO the reality is that......RCW 46.61.100 opened the door to even more questions. Like?

What would be/defined as/considered to be, "continuously driving?"
How much/faster over the stated speed limit, would be "reasonable" to overtake another driver (driving in the right lane or even the left lane)?
Is it automatically the case, that speeding to overtake someone else is always acceptable?
Then.......since it's expected that the driver is "supposed" to get back into the right lane to travel. How long of a travel distance (or time) is allowed, to use the left lane when overtaking?
And, "Traffic Flow." So then, if everyone (or say that most everyone) is going 75 mph in a posted 65 mph zone......is it automatically OK to speed too?

IMHO, with that all being said......Section 46.61.100......is supposed to/meant to, codify a temporary use of the left lane for "overtaking only." LOL.....thank you or not.....to the WA Legislature.

Aloha, Mark

Inside you there are two wolves. One of them is wrong. The other one is also wrong. You're just wrong. Stop making excuses for bad behavior and get out of the way.

 

[ma96782]

RE : Post #56

LOL. Thank you for being Un-Safe.

Aloha, Mark

 

[fd15k]

Inside you there are two wolves. One of them is wrong. The other one is also wrong. You're just wrong. Stop making excuses for bad behavior and get out of the way.

You in a hurry, bro? Sorry, not my problem

 

[Flopsweat]

You in a hurry, bro? Sorry, not my problem

I bet you block the aisles in supermarkets with your cart too, don't you?

 

[Alexx1401]

I bet you block the aisles in supermarkets with your cart too, don't you?

Guys its obvious this is a Troll. Feeding him will just keep him going at it.