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DKX Rifle armor plate: So light it floats!

Discussion in 'Education & Training' started by erudne, Mar 21, 2013.

  1. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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  2. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    What are the prices?
     
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    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, what's the story....release, price, etc?
     
  4. ocarolan

    ocarolan Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That test cited by DKX is misleading. It shows armor plate, shot with a Garand at muzzle distance, and extolls how the bullet failed to perforate.

    First, they claim this shows performance beyond class III. However, class IV requires 30-06 AP rounds, and there is no intermediary class. This armor is still class III.

    Next, the medical danger with a rifle bullet is the temporary cavitation and blunt trauma, not necessarily perforation. Inelastic vitals (liver, kidney) do not survive temporary cavitation. Looking at those bulges in the plate, if one had hit the liver it would be quite lethal.

    For perspective, a IIIA Second Chance vest might repel a 30-06 bullet also, and pass Mr. Camp's 0ft test. But it is still not protection against those threats. The real goal of a rifle plate is to dissipate energy, so testers need something to measure that (gelatin blocks).

    For background, typical plate uses ceramic in addition to dyneema/kevlar solely to dissipate energy.


    DKX Rifle Armor MAX III ? extreme test | RAVELIN'S BLOG
     
  5. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    What I do not understand is this:
    In the age of the internet; on a page dedicated to self-sufficiency there are 'men' who cannot visit the factory web site and post a cogent retelling of the facts but rather conflate the level III and level IIII specs. Further they seem incapable of independent action for apparently they cannot even find an independent review of the product. I feel I am among "midgets".
     
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  6. Nick Burkhardt

    Nick Burkhardt NE Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I could not find any prices on the DKX website or elsewhere on the internet. I'll take reusable steel for $85 even if it is twice the weight. AR500 Armor Plates
     
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    LimPShoT Oregon Member

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    mattdomes Newberg Active Member

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  9. Widerstand

    Widerstand Portland rebmeM roineS

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    Ive been looking at getting these, from what I can tell they are pretty damn good for the cost.
     
  10. Blue Devil PA

    Blue Devil PA Boise Active Member

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    What are the costs? Looked through the website, came up dry. Is Amazon going to carry these? :laugh:
     
  11. 206thsense

    206thsense Seattle, WA, USA Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    For those of you who have been trying to find the cost... I've been searching too.

    Turns out nutnfancy managed to get some bulk purchase deal through this website... pistol plates (level IIIa) will run you about $170 per a plate and rifle plates (level III) will run you about $435 per a plate (ouch).

    Rifle plate:
    DKX Max III Armor Plate - 2.9LBS - Multi-Shot Rated - AND it FLOATS!

    Pistol plate:
    DKX Max IIIA Armor Pistol Plate - 10" X 12"

    The cost seems high, but the weight savings seems quite nice. I'd probably consider a pair of the pistol plates... a pair of rifle plates would probably be out of my budget, though.
     
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  12. blankman32k

    blankman32k Peoples Republic of PDX Member

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    I ordered a set and can report when they arrive. No failure analysis testing though.
     
  13. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    The guy on their home page is so badazz he can hit targets with nothing but a front sight. ( ;
     
  14. Widerstand

    Widerstand Portland rebmeM roineS

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    Lately ive been combing the internet for better IIIA plates and by better I mean something less then $200 a plate, within the same weight and thickness range and I am pretty sure these are the best bang for the buck. If I can sell some stuff I am buying them.
     
  15. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Less than $900 for front and back coverage is cheap compared to taking one bullet

    Have front/back 12 x 16 steel plates and level 3 Second Chance vests but the steel is realistically only rated to 30 carbine
     
  16. Widerstand

    Widerstand Portland rebmeM roineS

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    I can't wait to see some photos and hear what you think of them.
     
  17. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    I shoot AR500 steel targets. Why would anyone want to wear steel after seeing what happens to and around the target? Your throat, inner arms, thighs and crotch would catch all of the fragments. Not to mention the possibility of spall. No thanks.

    I had a bad experience buying ceramic in the past but it has educated me. Definitely do your homework before you purchase anything. NIJ has limitations and there are several big name companies with shining reviews that I've found who will intentionally mislead you.

    As for DKX, I have done some reading on their website and I would consider it, but not before talking at length with someone from the company.
     
  18. Widerstand

    Widerstand Portland rebmeM roineS

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    I'm interested in hearing about your bad experience buying ceramic.
     
  19. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Ceramic brakes easily...mainly if you drop them or if they hit something hard. Once the ceramic brakes the ballistic protection is greatly reduced.

    I saw some steel plates that I really liked that were cheap just a few weeks ago. They covered them with a rubber coating (similar to the Rhino Linings) that kept the bullet fragments from splashing on you, but I can't find their site again to save my life (pun intended).

    I've actually done a bit of work on DIY plates and armor without success. My next project is going to consist of plates made from a sandwich of 1/4" lexsand, ceramic tiles and liquid nails.

    Homemade Armor Plates - DIY? - Survivalist Forum

    Anyone that tries the Poor Man's Bullet-proof Vest method, I can tell you (from a personal perspective) that this is a lost endeavor of a waist in time and money.
     
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  20. FatherHolyHoly

    FatherHolyHoly MN Active Member

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    I'll forward you the whole story Wilder, since it's a bit long and there were some legal threats made to me.
    Basically, I purchased armor that was intentionally or not, illegally mislabeled.

    Since then, I've learned a lot about NIJ certification, which can be seen here:

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/223054.pdf

    After that bad experience, I looked to a large body armor company with a sterling reputation to supply my new plates. Unfortunately, I found that they added additional labels to the factory labeled plates, which inferred that the plate could be used with any II-A soft armor underneath in order to be an NIJ certified system. This is incorrect if you read the above .pdf They also mislead people by labeling one particular plate as mult-hit* and then stating "an independent lab tested" multiple rounds... that is NOT the same as NIJ certification. I'd never buy a thing from them after seeing those things.

    *I went to the site and noticed they still talk about the independent lab but no longer sell the plate as "multi-hit"
     
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