Defensive use of firearm in Vancouver, Wa. Cops were called and never showed up.

[Geardo]

I have a friend who has drawers full of homeopathic cures for who knows what. She's got several mystery ailments that the doctors just can't seem to diagnose properly but she is sure she can address them with something from the latest book she's read. I've never bothered trying to debate it with her - I just let her go on about it until the subject changes. I know better than to question folks who are into this sort of thing. Fortunately she doesn't try to push her "cures" on me. Looking at our mutual friends, it seems to me very few of them would go for that sort of thing, so I would imagine she'd have learned the hard way from one of us a long time ago had she tried. Outside that she's a lovely person and great company. I'm pretty far from perfect myself, so I figure it's a wash.

The only one I have found that I think works is goldenseal and myrrh. Does it work better than an antibiotic ointment? No probably not, but I've seen it help heal some nasty cuts.

 

[bbbass]

Do Women still Rant and start every conversation with "My Ex" ?

Just wondering

Dude....

 

[bbbass]

The only one I have found that I think works is goldenseal and myrrh. Does it work better than an antibiotic ointment? No probably not, but I've seen it help heal some nasty cuts.

Honey works the best. Maybe because the dog licks it...

I tried goldenseal and echinacea for a cold... NADA.

 

[OldBroad44]

Do Women still Rant and start every conversation with "My Ex" ?

Just wondering

I think its the divorcing or recently divorced, either gender, who are most likely to rant and start every sentence with "my ex." Especially where they hate each other, are vindictive, and have children they are fighting over so that even divorce doesn't get them relief from each other. Men seem to rant more because they feel they have been abused financially. Women seem to rant more because their husband was a more essential part of their identity and status, and because a 40 year old woman is never going to be as attractive on the mating market while a successful 40 year old male is more attractive than when 20.

 

[bbbass]

that he did NOT want any women of any age on HIS forum because he said that women ruined gun forums and they had NO business being on them. NO kidding!

Continuing off topic:

Hi Cate,

For years I went to elk camp with my buddy that caught covid in elk camp and died this year.

Hunting and camping in a tent were:
1. My buddy
2. His brother
3. Sometimes his son
4. Sometimes a friend of his

Later as years passed members of his family were added to the group:
1. His daughter and her husband
2. His sister
3. His grandson and fiance
4. His great grandson
5. Some other relatives
6. Friend's grandson

It got to be too much for me to take... too many people, too much hollering, too much bickering, too much politics, but esp too much loud music played ALL THE TIME... from the early morning to late night. I finally quit going cuz it was JUST TOO MUCH.

But the point of this story is that when his daughter got an elk, the three gals howled about how "THE GODDESSES ARE HERE NOW". It was irritating, as if us old male dudes could not get an elk w/o them or had never gotten elk before. I know she was proud to get an elk, but I thought it was hardly an appropriate way to show off by denigrating the rest of us old males.

 

[Jay Walk]

A forty year old woman who has taken care of herself is TEN TIMES hotter than a twenty year old, because you know how she is going to look and what kind of person she will be later in life.

Unless you are looking for the plentiful Hit it and Quit it type of a dude.

 

[OldBroad44]

Nearly all modern medicines started out as some tribe's herbal medicine. Ethnobotany is an entire field of study in which the researchers go live with various indigenous people and learn about their medicines and other plant uses. They bring the info back home and the herbal form is trialled under controlled conditions. If it works next step is to isolate the active ingredients if possible. Tweak one or more to enhance power or stability or safety. Patent tweaked version. Make the medicine derived from their tribal knowledge available to the tribe only for high prices they can't afford. We call it ethno botany and drug develooment. They call it theft of their cultural wisdom.

Just because nearly all modern medicines started as herbal medicines doesn't mean that all herbal medicine is effective or safe however.

 

[OldBroad44]

A forty year old woman who has taken care of herself is TEN TIMES hotter than a twenty year old, because you know how she is going to look and what kind of person she will be later in life.

Unless you are looking for the plentiful Hit it and Quit it type of a dude.

Bless you @Jay Walk . Would that more men agreed with you. But alas, they dont. Every relevant study says that Women's attractiveness to men is focused primarily on youth, attractiveness, body conformation indicating fertility, and fitness. Economical status and accomplishments and intelligence don't matter much and may even be counterproductive.

 

[OldBroad44]

Continuing off topic:

Hi Cate,

For years I went to elk camp with my buddy that caught covid in elk camp and died this year.

Hunting and camping in a tent were:
1. My buddy
2. His brother
3. Sometimes his son
4. Sometimes a friend of his

Later as years passed members of his family were added to the group:
1. His daughter and her husband
2. His sister
3. His grandson and fiance
4. His great grandson
5. Some other relatives
6. Friend's grandson

It got to be too much for me to take... too many people, too much hollering, too much bickering, too much politics, but esp too much loud music played ALL THE TIME... from the early morning to late night. I finally quit going cuz it was JUST TOO MUCH.

But the point of this story is that when his daughter got an elk, the three gals howled about how "THE GODDESSES ARE HERE NOW". It was irritating, as if us old male dudes could not get an elk w/o them or had never gotten elk before. I know she was proud to get an elk, but I thought it was hardly an appropriate way to show off by denigrating the rest of us old males.

I don't blame you for being p!ssed about the women yelling about the goddesses when one got an elk. It was a blatant attempt to assert that the hunting camp was now female space and you men did not belong.

It was all the more obnoxious because traditionally going hunting with your father or older male family members and their friends was often a male right of passage where the youngster was eager to show that he could integrate with and act like the older males. And these young women not only weren't integrating into your group. They were rejecting your culture and displacing yours deliberately.

 

[Jay Walk]

Bless you @Jay Walk . Would that more men agreed with you. But alas, they dont. Every relevant study says that Women's attractiveness to men is focused primarily on youth, attractiveness, body confirmation indicating fertility, and fitness. Economical status and accomplishments and intelligence don't matter much and may even be counterproductive.

Well, alcohol and closing time for the Win then

 

[bbbass]

yelling about the goddesses

Thank you for your thoughts on this!

I hate the word and concept of "goddesses"!! As if they were now top dogs, something extra special, as if female DNA was better or reigns supreme..

It was a blatant attempt to assert that the hunting camp was now female space and you men did not belong.

Hmmmm, that sucks. WE were there first. It was the Dad's camp, they were there by HIS invitation. But they were taking over? I missed the days when it was just us boyz and we didn't have any GODDESSES!!!

It was all the more obnoxious because traditionally going hunting with your father or older male family members and their friends was often a male right of passage where the youngster was eager to show that he could integrate with and act like the older males. And these young women not only weren't integrating into your group. They were rejecting your culture and displacing yours deliberately.

At the time, I didn't think of it that way. But indeed, the first elk camps were def male bonding experiences. And we could freely be gross and smelly, cuzz and tell misogynistic jokes, pee just outside the sitting area, fart and belch... generally act like 5th grade boyz. Once the wimen came into camp, a lot of that changed. I didn't resent them, I just missed the old days. But when the daughter decided to see if she could outgross the males, that was, well, gross. Just one of the boyz, then claims "goddess" status. OMG

ETA: Yes, displacing us... that hurt.

 

[bbbass]

A forty year old woman who has taken care of herself is TEN TIMES hotter than a twenty year old, because you know how she is going to look and what kind of person she will be later in life.

Unless you are looking for the plentiful Hit it and Quit it type of a dude.

I agree, but my reasoning is different:

Forty year old woman knows how to love, both physically and emotionally. (over-generalization of course)

20yr old woman is still inexperienced in both, doesn't know her own body, etc. Not all of them of course. And so many today are still emotionally immature. (Just like the young guys are)

Who the hell wants to put up with the modern 20yr old woman? They have gotten demanding/bossy, loud, act like men (how is that attractive if you're not a gay man... and WHAT is up with the shaved head trend?), and will move on to another male if you can't keep up with constant demands to go out and party etc. Most are used to dealing with beta males and get out of sorts when a manly male won't be pushed around.

Then there's PMS... give me a woman that's already gone thru men-oh-PAUSE!!!

 

[OldBroad44]

I agree, but my reasoning is different:

Forty year old woman knows how to love, both physically and emotionally. (over-generalization of course)

20yr old woman is still inexperienced in both, doesn't know her own body, etc. Not all of them of course. And so many today are still emotionally immature. (Just like the young guys are)

Who the hell wants to put up with the modern 20yr old woman? They have gotten demanding/bossy, loud, act like men (how is that attractive if you're not a gay man... and WHAT is up with the shaved head trend?), and will move on to another male if you can't keep up with constant demands to go out and party etc. Most are used to dealing with beta males and get out of sorts when a manly male won't be pushed around.

Then there's PMS... give me a woman that's already gone thru men-oh-PAUSE!!!

Good points. And the reason why some older men do in fact marry women their own age instead of 20 year olds. The 40 year old man or woman has a much better chance of being worthy of the mate they aspire to.

 

[Jay Walk]

I agree, but my reasoning is different:

Forty year old woman knows how to love, both physically and emotionally. (over-generalization of course)

20yr old woman is still inexperienced in both, doesn't know her own body, etc. Not all of them of course. And so many today are still emotionally immature. (Just like the young guys are)

Who the hell wants to put up with the modern 20yr old woman? They have gotten demanding/bossy, loud, act like men (how is that attractive if you're not a gay man... and WHAT is up with the shaved head trend?), and will move on to another male if you can't keep up with constant demands to go out and party etc. Most are used to dealing with beta males and get out of sorts when a manly male won't be pushed around.

Then there's PMS... give me a woman that's already gone thru men-oh-PAUSE!!!

And the child support you will be paying out.

 

[OldBroad44]

Thank you for your thoughts on this!

I hate the word and concept of "goddesses"!! As if they were now top dogs, something extra special, as if female DNA was better or reigns supreme..

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Hmmmm, that sucks. WE were there first. It was the Dad's camp, they were there by HIS invitation. But they were taking over? I missed the days when it was just us boyz and we didn't have any GODDESSES!!!


At the time, I didn't think of it that way. But indeed, the first elk camps were def male bonding experiences. And we could freely be gross and smelly, cuzz and tell misogynistic jokes, pee just outside the sitting area, fart and belch... generally act like 5th grade boyz. Once the wimen came into camp, a lot of that changed. I didn't resent them, I just missed the old days. But when the daughter decided to see if she could outgross the males, that was, well, gross. Just one of the boyz, then claims "goddess" status. OMG

ETA: Yes, displacing us... that hurt.

I think single gender bonding experiences still matter. I just don't want the exclusive male space to include all the good jobs or all the jobs and facilities that allow one to practice science. Sports teams, weekly card games, hiking, camping, and hunting trips are all good options. Young men are civilized partly by bonding with and trying to win the acceptance and approval of older men.

This doesn't mean that girls or women shouldn't do these things. But for it to work the organizers need to realize that you can't add females to any of these things and have them remain male bonding situations. So the family hunting or fishing or camping trip is fine. And so is the hiking adventure that's two or three couples. But you can't add these to a traditional all male event without losing the male bonding aspect.

I think to keep the traditional male training aspect, it needs to be just one boy and the others all mature men. If its a group of teenagers it can descend into the typical competition between age groups, with for example the teenage group fighting for dominance by imposing their loud music on the group. Music only they like.

 

[Flopsweat]

This is a test:



The above is:

A) Funny.
B) Typical sexist male redneck gun owning bible reading patriarchy, misogyny, male-dominated something or other...
C) DGAF

 

[OldBroad44]

This is a test:

View attachment 1153428

The above is:

A) Funny.
B) Typical sexist male redneck gun owning bible reading patriarchy, misogyny, male-dominated something or other...
C) DGAF

None of the above. On the left is a bunch of bored p!ssed off sheep. On the right is a bored p!ssed off ram.

 

[bbbass]

I think to keep the traditional male training aspect, it needs to be just one boy and the others all mature men. If its a group of teenagers it can descend into the typical competition between age groups, with for example the teenage group fighting for dominance by imposing their loud music on the group. Music only they like.

Lords of the Fries...

 

[bbbass]

Good points. And the reason why some older men do in fact marry women their own age instead of 20 year olds. The 40 year old man or woman has a much better chance of being worthy of the mate they aspire to.

I've married older women... twice. First was 5yrs older, the one I've been married to since 1987 is 10yrs older... I guess one could say that I like maturity in my women.

 

[Member 52301]

Continuing off topic:

Hi Cate,

For years I went to elk camp with my buddy that caught covid in elk camp and died this year.

Hunting and camping in a tent were:
1. My buddy
2. His brother
3. Sometimes his son
4. Sometimes a friend of his

Later as years passed members of his family were added to the group:
1. His daughter and her husband
2. His sister
3. His grandson and fiance
4. His great grandson
5. Some other relatives
6. Friend's grandson

It got to be too much for me to take... too many people, too much hollering, too much bickering, too much politics, but esp too much loud music played ALL THE TIME... from the early morning to late night. I finally quit going cuz it was JUST TOO MUCH.

But the point of this story is that when his daughter got an elk, the three gals howled about how "THE GODDESSES ARE HERE NOW". It was irritating, as if us old male dudes could not get an elk w/o them or had never gotten elk before. I know she was proud to get an elk, but I thought it was hardly an appropriate way to show off by denigrating the rest of us old males.

I agree with you. IT was not NICE, they showed NO manners and it was in POOR TASTE. Enough to leave a bitter taste in your mouth and it makes good friendships FADE away or lose the BOND.

I personally think - BELIEVE - that by expanding that GROUP of people and adding in the females AND other males to it ruined it. What I mean is that an old group could still do THEIR OWN THING with the OLD traditions in HUNTING CAMP.

And IF and WHEN another group wanted to START ANOTHER HUNTING GROUP and add in another couple - a SMALL GROUP that would be okay too.

But to BREAK UP an old tradition of old friends in hunting camp does not sound like a cool idea.

My old and late CO Nam friend, one of my best friends, who died within ONE WEEK of my late husband, used to tell my late husband and me about his HUNTING CAMP stories.

My MT husband talks about many of HIS OWN HUNTS as a kid, young man and on - he still hunts.

SIDE NOTE: My late husband did NOT hunt. He had nothing against hunting - he just was NOT into it. He did go on some walks with some old man when he was a kid and that OLD man did hunt. But my late husband did NOT hunt. He did FISH though. WE were very much alike in MANY subject matters! We did NOT always agree in all things but in MOST things and in the IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE. He preferred to SWIM as I did and he was an outstanding swimmer as I was too. He could water ski VERY WELL but I was NOT very good at that. I did TRY it though! LOL He was a VERY good sailor as I was with sail boats and power boats too.

On top of that, I do BELIEVE that males and females need their own time to be together just to BOND.

Meaning, old friends, males as one example, need their OWN SPACE in a smaller group so that they can share OLD and new experiences, old times/new times, and OLD stories.

I call it male, macho bonding time for MEN. THIS IS NOT A SLUR and I used to say that to my late husband and I say it to my MT husband.

My late husband used to have coffee/breakfast ONCE A WEEK on Sunday mornings with 2 OLD school friends when he moved back to his home state and I moved with him to HIS home state after his Nam and around the world - USN time. After my Mom died in Maryland too.

He did this for YEARS ON END except when we was overseas with his AIR NG Fighter Wing or stateside in some other state. When he was dying and he did not want to use a W/C for the last couple of weeks due to his weakness, he could WALK with my help up until the LAST week of his life from the den to the downstairs bathroom, he wanted me to FIX BREAKFAST and MAKE COFFEE FOR HIS OLD FRIENDS on Sunday mornings too. Even if he could not eat. So I did that for HIM. I was his sole caregiver and his doctor did make a few house calls - one on the day that he died too.

Plus the last couple of times that he went OUT to breakfast when he was dying, I had ONE SIDE OF HIM and his BEST friend had the other side of him because he REFUSED to use a w/c and wanted to WALK INTO his favorite haunt for the LAST TIME too. I was so worried but I DID EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED and how he chose to have HIS bonding time with his CLOSE male friends.

IT was GOOD for him and good for his friends too. ALL of his life. The friendship and bonding thing. Plus they did other things together too. Before his BEST friend got married, my late husband and that friend took ME along to MOST but not all of their trips to the lake. We had not bought any of our sail boats and power boats, we could not afford it due to building the house at the time, but his friend owned a power boat. (I personally only owned ONE sail boat in my life and in my own name. A Sunfish - a glorified surf board with a sail. LOL!)

I did the same BONDING thing with some of my female friends only it was for dinner or lunch on our days off. IT was good for me and for them too.

During the time when we were building our house, we did a TON of sweat equity, we did NOT LAY the brick, we did NOT put up the frame and we did NOT do the roofing... we hardly had ANY TIME OFF other than working, driving a LONG way back and forth to work due to living in the boonies, building, caring for one of his old Aunties and, later on, my own Dad for a time frame - my Mom was already dead from cancer, helping his tiny family, etc.

EVERY PERSON needs time to BOND and enjoy the friendship of old or new friends AND it does not have to only be in male/female setting.

My late husband's best friend, one of two to three VERY close male friends, was like an older brother to me when I lived back there. They were born in the same month and in the same year too. Those 3 men were all like older brothers to me and I love, like and RESPECT them to this day too.

Blessings to you and your wife.

Cate
PS: I sent you a message - update in the Texas forum thing of a ma jig. Thanks!