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Converting 22long rifle to 22 long

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by task1, Dec 5, 2015.

  1. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    so I would like to teach my daughter to shoot the same rifle I learned with only problem it is a Winchester 1890 chambered in 22 long and I cannot find any. I have been thinking that since 22 long and Long rifle have the same case length and the only difference is the bullet length if I just cut the tips off to make them the same length would that cause any problems . I'm not worried about accuracy. I don't want to modify the rifle just shoot it occasionally . It will only cycle and fir 22 long. The picture I posted is from left to right 22l, cut down 22lr and 22lr. I know it is a lot of work but want to shoot this old rifle. Thanks

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  2. Steve M

    Steve M Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Seems like it aught to work, but there is some 22 short out there if the rifle is compatible with it.
     
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  3. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    Thanks, I have some short and tried it, they will not feed.
     
  4. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Should work fine, won't be a danger to the gun or shooter.
     
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  5. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    If the thing will feed/cycle then I say go for it!;)
     
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  6. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    You could probably get a bucket a shorts were you of a mind to. never know though
     
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  7. JustShoot

    JustShoot Oregon . Hillsborito area Active Member

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    Also . you could just hand ream it a touch in OAL from long to a long rifle .
    reamers for .22 are not that expensive and you might even keep eye-out for a used reamer .Then just get a T-handle & a small tin of rapid tap over at harbor freight .
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    ( IMHO ) Doing a quick ream wont kill the value . The worth of that particular Win. pump for .22 longs is not much, as that is the most common .along with to WMR also . Last old win. pump in WMR that I had was a good plinker and great for the Gophers .
    I think the old pump Win's that are worth the Big coin is the Gallery pumps chambered in .22 Short ( if ) it was pretty cherry .
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  8. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion , I've read that you also have to change the lifter and carrier if you do that and that is not something I want to do.
     
  9. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Be careful with the lifter, as they can be squeezed shut a little bit when the gun is apart and knocked around as that can give you loading problems.
    I picked up a beautiful 1906 for cheap that must have been dropped when apart.
    It took me awhile to figure out the problem and it now shoots short, long, & long rifle perfectly.
     
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    task1 Everett Active Member

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    What was your rifle originally chambered for?
     
  11. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    All three sizes. s, l & lr.

    I shoot CCI CB Long ammo in my vintage Savage bolt action rifle that I had a gunsmith member here "Velsey" on NWF thread the barrel for my Sparrow suppressor. It's wicked quiet and gets the job done on the local pests.

    You can get it online at DowdleSports.com

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjW64qDx8vJAhVjqIMKHQPYBUcQFghbMAw&url=http://www.dowdlesports.com/CCI-22-CB-Long-Ammo-Per100_p_39745.html&usg=AFQjCNFK9cFFu9lRGOXHZhQJvuVxh7eDvA&sig2=w80ymWB51HOnmF1WpkX7lA
     
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  12. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    That makes sense. Thanks
     
  13. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Edited my last post.
     
  14. SOrez

    SOrez SOR Active Member

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    The Coastal store in White City, OR had longs on the shelf. You might want to try there if you are near a Coastal store.
     
  15. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    WAIT A MIN DO NOT MODIFY ANYTHING.

    Winchester Model 1890's made prior to 1906 and some later then that were made as single caliber rifles. .22short in the rare gallery models .22L in almost all others. Not until after the Model 1906 with its universal carrier was marketed did 1890's change to using all 3 lengths of .22. A rifle designed to use Longs will NOT feed either .22 short or Long Rifle.

    If you modify the rifle you will ruin the collector value (which is getting to be well north of a grand for a nice example)

    Sending you a PM
     
  16. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    A 22 Long has the same case as a 22LR
    The difference is:
    Long bullet 29 grains
    Long Rifle bullet 40 grains
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  17. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    22 long is available---the local Bi-Mart here had some a while back that came in by mistake.
    Go talk to your local Bi-Mart. Tell them to get the All-Sports Catalog, look up CCI
    22 LONG, and check availability.
     
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  18. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    Thanks I will give it a try
     
  19. task1

    task1 Everett Active Member

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    Thank you everybody for all the help and suggestions.
     
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