Clinton: Australia-type mandatory buy back 'worth a try'

[boogerhook]

just remember, the Australian constitution had no 2nd-Amendment-type right to own and bear arms.

Amending the Constitution is the only way to change gun ownership to a privilege.

 

[Bam]

This country will see its second civil war before that happens.

 

[Brutus57]

Hopefully some people will wake up, enough to swing the vote back toward freedom and not socialism.....it's clear she has violated the Espionage Act by mishandling classified data....What chaps my hide is these arsewypes who defend her semantics of "not marked classified"....the classification is one thing but the overarching importance is the SENSITIVITY of the information. I could spout off the top speed of a Russian Akula submarine in an email with no classification markings but if I was accurately describing said speed it would be giving out classified info, which in the intel game takes one to: Where'd they get that info?!!!, The Russians would if they intercepted that email then say....."OOOOOOHHHHH, it has to be one of the crew on the latest Akula shakedown cruise boat....and with questioning.... they find it out.

Not all of us buy in to their disingenuous garbage speak.... firearm Confiscation is their ultimate goal, and the slope toward it is getting slippery as they ratchet up background checks and more crises. It would NOT be surprising if they hope some gent or 3 go off on some warrant servers and then they can start going house to house of those they have identified on that list of 76 or so groups that might be local "trouble". They then will rely on scared neighbors fingering that guy at the end of the subdivision with the NRA ball cap and service flag in his back yard...How many people just because she's a dem promising free candy will follow along with attempts at seizure. They will strike the match if they think they can win. Remember, the North's citizenry was getting really fed up with the casualties in 1863 and 1864. Cain't we just all give up our bangsticks and get along will be their cry. Individual rights be dammed.

That millions of Americans and virtually every democrat believes what their pols spout is truly chilling.

Brutus Out

 

[edison bulb]

Democrats' New Boldness on Gun Reform Is Three Weeks from Its First Test

"With its presidential candidates loudly proclaiming their anti-NRA bona fides and Senate leaders banging the drum for gun reform, Democrats are suddenly shucking their reticence on an issue long considered electoral poison."

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/democrats-new-boldness-gun-reform-three-weeks-first-ballot-test/

THE TRACE (Bloomberg Funded)

 

[Just Jim]

Hillary speaks to her supporters when she talks gun controls and buy backs but everyone who hates her here's her saying she is willing to come into our homes to get our guns just like she did Waco. How did that all turn out?

 

[Raidingtime]

Keep that one going Hillary... you are on to something... a political cliff.

Never mind the math behind it either. Let's say those automatic thingies, we have 200 million of. On average the cost would be between 500-1000$ per piece. 100b$-200b$. That's a lot of money. Quod erat demonstrandum: advocat non calculat.

$500-$1000 per piece on average is a conservative number and that doesn't count all the extras (mags, lights, ammo, etc). It would be a lot of money.

 

[Hawaiian]

Sorry, but your 500-1000$ value will be valued by the gov't at 10% of that and you will either accept it or be charged with a felony for possession of a prohibited firearm.

 

[GuyBMeredith]

Okay, we REALLY need to verify facts and get this into the face of lefties.

I have been taking a look at the buy back, what really happened and how well it worked. It didn't. The Aussie rate of firearm violence is traditionally low, even when some areas had no laws on firearms, had been on a downward trend before the buy back, licensing and registration and continues trending down at the same rate now.

I thought that the answer is the Aussie culture-really good folk. Then I found articles discussing whether Australia needs a Bill of Rights.

So what part of the Aussie culture is possibly keeping the rate low? The Aussies have no constitutionally guaranteed:
Explicit right to free speech or press
Right to own firearms
Right to free assembly or association
Right against self incrimination
Right against cruel and unusual punishment
Right against search and seizure at the will of any level of government

Did the buy back, licensing and registration stop mass killings? No. A man carrying a shotgun took 18 people hostage in the Lindt cafe in Sydney, Australia in December 2014. This could easily have become another mass killing if the perp hadn't had other plans. The law did not stop a mass killing, the personal decision of the perp prevented a mass killing.

The Aussies have no idea how many illegal guns are in circulation, but the numbers mentioned range from 220,000 to 6 million.

Firearms used in the overwhelming number of crimes are unregistered or not used by the licensed owner. Duh.

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One interesting item is that kidnapping with use of a firearm continued to increase. AND the traditional rate of homicide by knife, "other weapons" or no weapons continues now at 4 times the rate of homicide by firearm.

 

[boogerhook]

There is no correlation between gun ownership rates and murder rates.... Serbia & Switzerland are #2 & #4 after the US, and they have minute murder rates. Yemen, which is at #3 has the same murder rate as the US. Mexico on the other hand has less than 20% of our ownership rate, but more than 4 times our murder rate.

 

[OLDNEWBIE]

EXCLUSIV

One interesting item is that kidnapping with use of a firearm continued to increase. AND the traditional rate of homicide by knife, "other weapons" or no weapons continues now at 4 times the rate of homicide by firearm.

That's what is so hard to explain to anti-gun progs. If the bad guys assume because of strict gun laws that everyone is unarmed, then they will have no fear or trepidation to prey on people and their property.

Burglary, muggings, rapes, home invasions, beatings, stabbings and murders are sure to rise and those will only be the crimes WITHOUT a gun used on the victims!

Gun crimes and killings will still be around too, maybe not as many but gangs will still have them for sure as well as any thug who has the cash. Don't worry though they're working on eliminating Cash too!

Make a law outlawing all modern guns and restricting what's allowed to only the few who are willing to pay all the fees and jump through all the hoops and what do you get?

More violence, more killings.

 

[etrain16]

Hillary speaks to her supporters when she talks gun controls and buy backs but everyone who hates her here's her saying she is willing to come into our homes to get our guns just like she did Waco. How did that all turn out?

I think there is one key difference between what happened with Waco back then, and if the same thing happened today - Information.

When Waco happened, everyone still relied on the mainstream media - papers, TV and radio, to get their information. It was easy to control the story and to run it through their 'filter'.

It's much different today as dissenting opinions from the MSM's line of B.S. speak are easily countered, in split seconds, from hundreds, if not thousands of independent sources.

Just look at the difference in response to the Bundy ranch incident. A lot of people got both sides of the story, not just one side, and that ability to have more information certainly ended in a very different outcome, with armed citizens showing up to stand with him.

Is it any wonder that Obama has wanted for so long to have an internet 'kill switch' at his command?

 

[Jamie6.5]

I think there is one key difference between what happened with Waco back then, and if the same thing happened today - Information.
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Is it any wonder that Obama has wanted for so long to have an internet 'kill switch' at his command?

Is there any question that a regional kill switch would suddenly silence the local social media in the event of another Waco?
I don't think so.

All they have to do is shut down a half dozen or so cell towers, and bring in some low-powered jamming equipment for the immediate area.
Outages happen all the time,......

 

[etrain16]

Is there any question that a regional kill switch would suddenly silence the local social media in the event of another Waco?
I don't think so.

All they have to do is shut down a half dozen or so cell towers, and bring in some low-powered jamming equipment for the immediate area.
Outages happen all the time,......

Sure it would, for a time. They can't leave their voters on Obama phones disconnected forever though. The world of information has changed dramatically, in some ways, for the better. But cut off businesses and millennialis from their internet access, and it won't be the gun owners leading a rebellion against the government. It will be millions upon millions of them that can't check their friend's Facebook status, or see photos of what they ate for breakfast. It would be a bloody battle

Point is, once it's back up and running, and it will be, word will still get out. They also have no control over the spread of info in other countries. So yes, word will get out, if just delayed for a short time.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Good Luck. J.Reno (and E. Holder) managed to hide/bury the Posse Comitatus violations at Waco until after the public's attention spans were burnt out.
I suspect this would/will be no different.

 

[Just Jim]

Good Luck. J.Reno (and E. Holder) managed to hide/bury the Posse Comitatus violations at Waco until after the public's attention spans were burnt out.
I suspect this would/will be no different.

Yep they sparrow out a victim, demonize them in the press and kill them legally. Everything the Nazis did was legal under German law.

 

[etrain16]

Good Luck. J.Reno (and E. Holder) managed to hide/bury the Posse Comitatus violations at Waco until after the public's attention spans were burnt out.
I suspect this would/will be no different.

But that really didn't happen with Bundy Ranch. The story did get out - both sides. They can cover up some info, but today you have a camera or video recording device in the hands of millions - you didn't have them back then. If some sh!t had gone down at Bundy, you can bet some of that would have gotten out through other outlets.

Control of information is much different, and much more difficult, than it was during Waco. A lot has changed since 1993. All you have to do is look at how quickly a video of a police shooting circles the globe, changing the whole way people deal with such events now. And, with the ability to now live-stream/upload video from the source, even if you confiscated every phone/device in the area, it's still too late - the info is on the NET, where it will remain forever. In some ways, the internet as become a great equalizer for the masses. The days of controlling the only sources of information are over. Save for what happens behind closed doors, of course.

 

[Jamie6.5]

Yep they sparrow out a victim, demonize them in the press and kill them legally. Everything the Nazis did was legal under German law.

Yup.
Their other favorite is the Friday document/info dump.
By the time anyone ferrets out the pertinent info the public has moved on.
I can't stand the way these people have manipulated the system and the media, but there is no arguing about whether or not it has worked.
It has been as effective (and more so) as anything I've ever seen in almost 50 years of following politics.

 

[Jamie6.5]

But that really didn't happen with Bundy Ranch. The story did get out - both sides. They can cover up some info, but today you have a camera or video recording device in the hands of millions - you didn't have them back then. If some sh!t had gone down at Bundy, you can bet some of that would have gotten out through other outlets.

Control of information is much different, and much more difficult, than it was during Waco. A lot has changed since 1993. All you have to do is look at how quickly a video of a police shooting circles the globe, changing the whole way people deal with such events now. And, with the ability to now live-stream/upload video from the source, even if you confiscated every phone/device in the area, it's still too late - the info is on the NET, where it will remain forever. In some ways, the internet as become a great equalizer for the masses. The days of controlling the only sources of information are over. Save for what happens behind closed doors, of course.

I'm not saying it won't get out.
I'm saying that by the time it does, no one, or not enough, will care.
Just like Benghazi, by the time we get to the bottom of it, 80+% of the voting public doesn't care, and/or are sick of hearing about it, and have moved on.
IOW, they don't have to stop it, they only have to delay it. Once they delayed Benghazi beyond the 2012 election, nobody (besides us) cared any longer. And at this point there's been enough misinfo printed that 80% don't have the stomach for the facts.
Hillary Dems won't believe it, and the Sanders Dems don't care, and only the half of republicans that ever cared, believe it.
In terms of political reality, it sways NO ONE.

Oh look! The new season of Surviving With The Stars is on!


So, like I said: Good Luck.

 

[Just Jim]

Yup.
Their other favorite is the Friday document/info dump.
By the time anyone ferrets out the pertinent info the public has moved on.
I can't stand the way these people have manipulated the system and the media, but there is no arguing about whether or not it has worked.
It has been as effective (and more so) as anything I've ever seen in almost 50 years of following politics.

I am convinced that it all comes from higher education, tyranny in our universities bleeds into our culture. Every politicion gets his education from the same institutions, and repub or dem they all think the same way. Higher ed gave us Cloward Piven and all the techniques to bring down America. Higher ed is the problem

 

[Jamie6.5]

I am convinced that it all comes from higher education, tyranny in our universities bleeds into our culture. Every politicion gets his education from the same institutions, and repub or dem they all think the same way. Higher ed gave us Cloward Piven and all the techniques to bring down America. Higher ed is the problem

Guess who educated all the primary education teachers?
Guess who the boards consist of?
Look at who issues teaching certificates.
Look at the union influence among teachers, from the NEA, The American Federation of Teachers, the AFSCME (for the janitors and groundskeepers) and all the state teachers' unions (OEA etc.)

Yup, it's being taught as early as elementary school now too.