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Well it looks like there was a lot of involvement in both 911 and Fannie mae, to the point of doing great damage to the country. Set up a wall to stop agencies from communicating which allowed 911 to happen. Plus involvement in the scandal at Fannie Mae that got her millions an cost us trillions.

This is who the Clintons are and if they get in again it may be more than your gun rights you lose...
 
If you really look into this, here is just one person that played a big role in 911 and crashing the economy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick
When it comes to crashing the economy, you're forgetting Franklin Raines Jimbo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines

He and Gorelick were the principles, but Raines gets credit for the creative bookkeeping behind the mythical clinton surplus, and oversaw the exact same type of financial juggling at Fannie Mae that hid the precarious situation the GSEs were actually in.

But yeah, Gorelick is a real piece of work.
 
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She is as mentally damaged as she looks.

Bigger problem is how will they know who to target for "mandatory" confiscation.

Universal background checks. That's how.
After OR and WA and UCC, barry is pushing his executive pen to sign up all Americans for mandatory BGCs, then you have registration. Then you know who to target.
 
Okay so hears the plan, buy a truck full of mosins for cheap, then when the government offers slightly more then you paid turn them in and make profit so you can upgrade and buy ammo for your "assult rifles" --- the guns the government buys from You will probably end up in cartel members hands. Might as well drive to Mexico and give the good people a way to defend themselves
 
Up until this point, the legislators have been, as many have noted, taking things slowly, one step at a time, gradually turning up the heat (the oft used frog in a pot metaphor). This tactic has the benefit of allowing people time to adjust to each incremental increase in tyrannical advance, where people, for a moment, are angry, but the anger subsides, their world doesn't end, and they move on, content to live under the new rules.

But I think perhaps they are making a critical error in judgment. I think they're getting too excited by some recent victories, such as in Oregon as well as recent events, also Oregon, to turn the pot up to boiling, rapidly. And that, I think, could really backfire. They've begun to cease their 'common sense gun measure' talk and are now replacing it with reference to drastic measures up to and including confiscation.

I suspect there are a lot of quiet patriots out there. They are angry, in fact, pissed, at everything that's been happening. They want to do something, but perhaps aren't convinced that enough people feel the same way they do. I think there are many that, given the proper spark, would jump into the fight in a big way. But I don't think that 'spark' event has happened, at least not yet. Looking back at the Bundy Ranch incident, it got the attention of a lot of people all over the country. Patriots showed up and stood toe to toe with the feds, and the feds backed down. No shots fired, but a big statement was made. And, I think many people started to think that event could have been that spark event - but it settled back down.

So who will provide the spark? I also suspect some folks would like to, but may think it's a lost cause, particularly for themselves, should they not ignite a movement with a large amount of support. A lot of people like to talk about how they won't take it anymore and that they'll be all to happy to have the government try to "come and take". But I wonder, will they really face down the barrels of the state/federal police and stand their ground?

I guess the more I think about this, and the more I read the comments here, it just has me wondering - when, and where, is the the poo going to hit the fan? At what point will they actually go too far and someone, somewhere, is going to draw a line in the sand. And, when that happens, how many will stand up with them? I have to be honest, the thought of people taking up arms against their government really turns me off. Some may romanticize the notion, I do not. I imagine the patriots of the revolution felt the same way, before the British pushed too hard, and they finally reached the point that they would rather risk what they had than to give in to tyranny.

I have a feeling then next few months and years are going to be some big ones for the history books. I honestly don't know what's coming, but I don't think anyone can deny, it's going to be big.
 
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Well E16 we have seen the spark before at Waco and after the fire came OKC, then gooberment backed off as bill and hill ran for Re election. It's a lot different now, floods of illegals and no telling how many terrorist brought in. We may be looking at an American Spring brought to you by the same commies that destroyed so many governments in the middle east.

Once they get the guns away they will do what ever they want, who will stop them, the UN?:s0140::s0140:
 
Well E16 we have seen the spark before at Waco and after the fire came OKC, then gooberment backed off as bill and hill ran for Re election. It's a lot different now, floods of illegals and no telling how many terrorist brought in. We may be looking at an American Spring brought to you by the same commies that destroyed so many governments in the middle east.

Once they get the guns away they will do what ever they want, who will stop them, the UN?:s0140::s0140:

I was thinking of those events, but in reality, was there a chance that Waco really was a rallying point? These folks were died in the wool lunatics following a crazy man with a Jesus complex. Not exactly the kind of guy that a large group of people are likely to get behind, at least in my estimation. Ruby Ridge, not really either. I think Bundy got a bit closer because so many people saw him as being bullied by the government, with some believing he was the bad guy.

No, I think it's going to take something more. Heck, look what effect 9/11 had on the country, if only for a short time. You couldn't buy an American flag for weeks, months. Patriotism and unity were at an all time high. I'd have to say, it was a high point for me in seeing this country turn away from their concern about diversity and looking to each other as Americans. While I would hate to see something along those lines happen again, I do fear we're just on a countdown to another. And, as you pointed out, this time, it will probably come from within.

Perhaps an attack from within, something on the scale of 9/11, will get the attention of enough Americans to finally turn the tide. I fear it will take an event of that magnitude to really get people worked up, especially if it happened because of the choices and policies of the current administration.

I don't know Jim. It's all speculation until something happens. My deepest hope is that people will simply wake up and turn this country around the easy way.
 
Well Ruby Ridge and Waco were media controlled, they worked hard to demonize those people so America wouldn't get upset. RR was the start and at the time there were a number of militias forming to fight what gooberment was doing.

Waco was purely about guns, they sent in the BATF to kick in the doors and collect firearms. They never even brought up the childeren or the religion until after the first shoot out. Then media run 51 days of demonization to make it ok to bring in tanks to gas and burn those people.

That set off the loons and they escalated the violence with a bomb to a Federal building.

What will be the next spark, well a hint is given because gooberment always practices what they plan. The Bundy ranch standoff was just practice. Plus watch who media demonizes, when Joe average is constantly shown as a terrorist out to harm innocent immigrants then that would be their target.

Like you I speculate and watch what's happening, way too much financial stuff comming down the road and they know there is going to be a lot of violence if they try to Greece us. Why else is this big push on to get our guns, 9 killed in Roseburg but 57 shot in Chicago. It all doesn't add up for the big gun control push.
 
A Mssg must be sent that nothing comes w/o a price and that NO ONE in the COC is immune, NO ONE.
The Left wants to have their way w/o paying a price.....at the same time they want martyrs let them learn that we already have our martyrs
 
"I have to be honest, the thought of people taking up arms against their government really turns me off."
This is because you are a true K~Type with a genetic disposition to high In-Group Loyalty and it is a characteristic that r~Types use to subvert K~Type society.
On the plus side r~Types are disposed to be cowardly slackards who operate on an emotional level, once their 'Rage' meets a determined force they tend to loose determination.
 
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Well it looks like there was a lot of involvement in both 911 and Fannie mae, to the point of doing great damage to the country. Set up a wall to stop agencies from communicating which allowed 911 to happen. Plus involvement in the scandal at Fannie Mae that got her millions an cost us trillions.

This is who the Clintons are and if they get in again it may be more than your gun rights you lose...

Don't forget Andrew Mark Cuomo who joined the Clinton Administration in 1993 when he was appointed assistant secretary for Community Planning and Development in the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). He then served as Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1997 to 2001. Forced banks to make "Loans to Losers" they knew would never get repaid, but it's ok FHA will guarantee them all. Then Fannie followed suit.

Then in his one term as Attorney General of New York, Cuomo opened an investigation of Fannie Mae, only to make a back room deal with them back in 2006 to keep the dirty laundry covered until the whole mess exploded in 2008.

Of course, you know of his lovely work as New York Governor shoving the Safe Act vote through in the middle of the night.
 
It is unbelievable that almost half of American voters are
"Ready for Hillary".
We have to get all gun owners to vote for the republican candidate.
No matter who he or she is. We must defeat these liberal idiots.

Spot on. It is their ability to get folks to actually vote, and hold party above all else, that is making them stronger year over year... it for damn sure is not the content of their policies.

There are roughly 219,000,000 eligible voters and 146,000,000 registered voters. In the 2012 election year, 126,000,000 voted. That means about 4 in 10 of us did not participate in the most important civic duty we have.

While I don't have the statistics, it is my opinion that a majority of these non voters were the moderates who generally hold our nations constitutional freedoms and rights of high value. These folks are not myopic Facebook/Twitter drones that are easily reached. This is where the Dems have taken advantage -- BIG TIME.

Getting this cross-section of the population to vote is our only hope. If you are reading this post and are among the 40% who did not take the time to cast a vote, please do so in 2016.
 
Spot on. It is their ability to get folks to actually vote, and hold party above all else, that is making them stronger year over year... it for damn sure is not the content of their policies.

There are roughly 219,000,000 eligible voters and 146,000,000 registered voters. In the 2012 election year, 126,000,000 voted. That means about 4 in 10 of us did not participate in the most important civic duty we have.

While I don't have the statistics, it is my opinion that a majority of these non voters were the moderates who generally hold our nations constitutional freedoms and rights of high value. These folks are not myopic Facebook/Twitter drones that are easily reached. This is where the Dems have taken advantage -- BIG TIME.

Getting this cross-section of the population to vote is our only hope. If you are reading this post and are among the 40% who did not take the time to cast a vote, please do so in 2016.

Well stated. I've come across far too many folks that have admitted they didn't vote in the last election, here in the Oregon races and in the national races. I believe there are still enough pro-gun folks here in Oregon that could turn things around, if they vote, and if they vote pro-gun. We lost some key 'blocking' votes in the legislature last year because not enough folks got invested in the vote. And those lost seats lost us our rights, and are about to again in 2016. It's also amazing how many people DO NOT KNOW what's going on in Salem with respect to our rights.

The other side, well, they depend on the government to do things for them. To give them things. They know they have to vote. They know that their 'gifts' won't keep coming unless they vote. They aren't always informed either, but they know which hand feeds them, which hand gives them the things they want, at least enough things to keep them appeased.

I don't know how to mobilize our side, especially when they don't all pay attention to the politicians that are actively stealing their rights.
 
Here's a truly worrying one... I'm excerpting the "money lines" at the conclusion, for the stats that lead to them see the original article.
http://www.redstate.com/diary/blben...ems-war-black-americans-creating-proletariat/
The first Democratic debate left no doubt that their party is Socialist and is out to overthrow capitalism. In that context all of this madness is not madness: it's a mission.

Part of that mission is the war on American Blacks; it is calculated to make Black Americans, already inflamed from the agitprop of racism and abuse from police, financially desperate as well. Since Dems don't have an abused peasantry to agitate —as Russia's Bolsheviks had in 1917—why not create one?
 
Australian were forced by a law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than
$500 million dollars.
The first year results in: Australia-wide, homicides were up
3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent!). In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

In America, the U.S. has the best-armed civilian population in the world, with an estimated 270 million total guns. That's an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents.
In Australia it was approximately $100.00 per firearm bought back. Do that here It would cost twenty-seven billion. That 27 Billion with a "B" .
Now people will say 27 billion is doable.

Oh but I digress dear friends, it is estimated according to DHS in 2013 there was wait for it......over 500million and rising illegal guns in the USA, these are guns bought and sold on the black market, illegal imported and brought over the borders. That would disarm you and me and leave almost twice as many guns in the hands of people that had illegal guns. You and I call them criminals.
Next time you are to busy to get involved to save your right might want to read this over. Australia guesses there are still over 50,00 gun illegally in their country and they have a hard import export system and no land borders. They are having mass killings and crime in crease with just 50K illegal guns, imagine 500 million .

In 2016 we better make sure anyone but Hilary or her pals gets in or we will have chaos. Should give you chills when I added up the numbers I did, they numbers are as accurate as I could get so it might vary 1-3% when we are dealing with billions hard to get it down to the penny :)

Maybe send this to your Senators and see if they get scared, they wont have enough security with that many guns in criminal hands without opposition.
 
Hillary actually said she planed on considering confication and the mainstream media downplayed it and barely reported on it. . I can not believe it. OK , thinking about it some and I am not really surprised.
She is dumber than I thought. There are millions of gun owners that could care less about background checks, banning AR's and extended mags, but they will freak out when they think that their semi auto shotgun will be not only banned, but conficated. She just may have awoken a sleeping mass of voters. That is if the media ever reports on it.
 

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