National ATF coming for pistol braces

[Diamondback]

So a 14.5 barrel might put you over the 26"? Maybe a 308 platform would allow for a shorter barrel to be used since lower receiver is longer?

A 12.5" Troy A4 with no pin-weld and a standard CAR tube/SBA3 is over 26".

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJGuns/comments/cqxgr7

My 10.3 with an A5 buffer and LAW sidefolder BARELY squeaks in at 25.925".

 

[wired]

None of this is in the federal registry yet. Dont get jumpy.

 

[arakboss]

A 12.5" Troy A4 with no pin-weld and a standard CAR tube/SBA3 is over 26".

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJGuns/comments/cqxgr7

My 10.3 with an A5 buffer and LAW sidefolder BARELY squeaks in at 25.925".

I read that the measurement is without the brace installed and a with a "standard" extension tube?

 

[Diamondback]

I think the Troy had the brace off but its standard CAR tube on for measurement.

 

[arakboss]

Oh, they havent imlemented anything yet. Thats the same old throw at the wall to see what sticks list they had before.

What is the next step? Will we have anymore notice before implementation begins?

 

[Diamondback]

What is the next step? Will we have anymore notice before implementation begins?

It has to be published in the Federal Register at least 90 days before effective date IIRC. I expect this one to be "we wipe our @$$ on your comments and are going ahead as planned anyway."

 

[CamoDeafie]

12" 6.5 Grendel barrel with standard M4 tube, no braces no devices, just over 26.5" OAL for me.

 

[Nutty4Guns]

Can someone please tell me where the end of the buffer tube is on this pistol? With the brace on there, I can't tell.

 

[TTSX]

Can someone please tell me where the end of the buffer tube is on this pistol? With the brace on there, I can't tell.

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If you're serious, just take it off and measure.

if you're doing a sarcasm, we get it. "Rules" are made the the uninformed and may or may not make sense.

 

[arakboss]

Can someone please tell me where the end of the buffer tube is on this pistol? With the brace on there, I can't tell.

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Send it to the ATF, they will measure it for you.

 

[TTSX]

Send it in to the ATF, they will measure it for you.

They'll have 7 guys measure it 43 times and give you 108 different answers

 

[Nutty4Guns]

If you're serious, just take it off and measure.

if you're doing a sarcasm, we get it. "Rules" are made the the uninformed and may or may not make sense.

Yeah, sorry for the confusion. Sarcasm was the intent.

 

[arakboss]

They'll have 7 guys measure it 43 times and give you 108 different answers

How many determination letters does that equal?

 

[Nutty4Guns]

How many determination letters does that equal?

For that answer you just have to look to the fact of the truth mattering and...well anyway.

 

[billdeserthills]

..

 

[arakboss]

Looks like new pistol point based system will begin in August.

So sometime in June, ATF's new definitions and regulations will go into effect for the receivers, silencers, other categories, and sometime in August the rules will go into effect for pistol stabilizing brace-equipped firearms.

BREAKING: Federal Register Publishes Schedule For ATF's Firearm, Silencer, and Pistol Brace Final Regulations - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Set to publish tomorrow, but for some reason already public on govinfo (or download the PDF HERE), the January 31, 2022 Federal Register details ATF’s plans to finalize its rulemaking and regulations related to the definitions of firearm, firearm frame/receiver...

www.google.com

 

[Nutty4Guns]

Neat

 

[arakboss]

I would expect to see blowout retail pricing on braced pistols this summer.

Edit: and or we'll see retailers yanking braces and selling pistols with just the tube.

 

[arakboss]

The prerequisites state that the firearm needs to measure between 12 and 26 inches in length to proceed with point tally worksheet. Presumably a retailer could still sell a 26.1+ inch long braced pistol and not be subject to point tally worksheet. I guess they could go ahead and add a vertical foregrip to make it a "firearm". It won't be super compact but it will still leave room for retailers to sell something shorter than a rifle and utilize their pistol brace inventories. Adding 26.5 inch firearm build to my list of projects. I have an SBA4 brace looking for something to do.

 

[CamoDeafie]

The prerequisites state that the firearm needs to measure between 12 and 26 inches in length to proceed with point tally worksheet. Presumably a retailer could still sell a 26.1+ inch long braced pistol and not be subject to point tally worksheet. I guess they could go ahead and add a vertical foregrip to make it a "firearm". It won't be super compact but it will still leave room for retailers to sell something shorter than a rifle and utilize their pistol brace inventories. Adding 26.5 inch firearm build to my list of projects. I have an SBA4 brace looking for something to do.

Where measure from? End of buffer tube to muzzle crown without device?
End of receiver (no buffer tube) to muzzle crown, no device?
Edit or
End of fully extended "brace" to end of barrel with device?