120,000 Gun Safes Recalled

[toast]

120,000 biometric "safes" recalled because children (anyone) can open them if not reprogrammed by end user.

Brands include Bulldog Cases, Awesafe, Machir and MouTec.

Personally, I wouldn't own a biometric safe, but if you have one of these units, you should ensure it is functioning as intended.

NBC News: 120,000 Gun Safes Recalled

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[kmk1012]

Thank you for assisting getting the word out about this. @street posted in the Great Deals section about the recall which is where I first heard about these safes when I purchased one. I'm not 100% sold on bio safes yet but the one I got was all three, bio/pin/key.

 

[toast]

I didn't realize someone else had already posted about it. I looked, but I missed it.

They are convenient, and probably faster when they work perfectly. I have just had too many gadgets fail. I am paranoid I'd get locked out at some point. I am pretty quick with combo locks after all those years working a locker in school.

But this is worse than getting locked out. A kid getting into the safe is even worse than me NOT being able to get into it -- even with a bad guy in the house.

At least this seems like an easy fix. It's not even a defect if the user just follows the instructions at time of purchase.

 

[Alexx1401]

So unless I am missing something here its a user error problem? As in people not bothering to read the damn instructions? So the "solution" is to recall the damn things since owners can't read?

 

[Alexx1401]

I didn't realize someone else had already posted about it. I looked, but I missed it.

They are convenient, and probably faster when they work perfectly. I have just had too many gadgets fail. I am paranoid I'd get locked out at some point. I am pretty quick with combo locks after all those years working a locker in school.

But this is worse than getting locked out. A kid getting into the safe is even worse than me NOT being able to get into it -- even with a bad guy in the house.

At least this seems like an easy fix. It's not even a defect if the user just follows the instructions at time of purchase.

That is the only reason I have been leery of these type of locks. Always afraid the damn thing would not open when I needed it. LONG past having kids in the home but when we did I preferred the boxes with the Simplex manual lock. Was simple to learn to open even in total darkness and no battery or electronics to fail.

 

[Koda]

"In a statement, the company said there were no mechanical problems with the biometric locks or the recalled safes. The safes were shipped to retailers in "demonstration mode," allowing any fingerprint to open them until they are programmed, the company's vice president, Brandon Rutledge, said in the statement. "The problems have stemmed from people not programming the safes at all, or not programming them properly," Rutledge said. "We take this matter very seriously and are working to help all customers who reach out to us.""

Doesnt sounds like a defective product to me.

 

[Certaindeaf]

It should be a litmus test.. can't/didn't program the device, no gun for you!

 

[Alexx1401]

"In a statement, the company said there were no mechanical problems with the biometric locks or the recalled safes. The safes were shipped to retailers in "demonstration mode," allowing any fingerprint to open them until they are programmed, the company's vice president, Brandon Rutledge, said in the statement. "The problems have stemmed from people not programming the safes at all, or not programming them properly," Rutledge said. "We take this matter very seriously and are working to help all customers who reach out to us.""

Doesnt sounds like a defective product to me.

It reminded me of an old line. If you make something idiot proof they will invent a better idiot. Sadly companies have LONG had to try to idiot proof anything that requires reading instructions.

 

[Nosferatu]

So it's a Layer 8 problem.

The end user is what needs to be recalled, not the device.

 

[Koda]

It reminded me of an old line. If you make something idiot proof they will invent a better idiot. Sadly companies have LONG had to try to idiot proof anything that requires reading instructions.

Ive worked in product development with some very well paid engineers. Companies spend millions on design time trying to engineer idiot proof products but at the end of the day nobody can engineer a requirement to read the instruction manual or even understand it.

 

[Alexx1401]

Ive worked in product development with some very well paid engineers. Companies spend millions on design time trying to engineer idiot proof products but at the end of the day nobody can engineer a requirement to read the instruction manual or even understand it.

They can sure run out and find a lawyer to try to sue when they get hurt because they did not read the damn instructions though.
The sad part is the rest of us have to pay for this.

 

[Nosferatu]

Ive worked in product development with some very well paid engineers. Companies spend millions on design time trying to engineer idiot proof products but at the end of the day nobody can engineer a requirement to read the instruction manual or even understand it.

Every time you think you've idiot-proofed a product, a new breed of idiot comes along.

 

[Alexx1401]

Every time you think you've idiot-proofed a product, a new breed of idiot comes along.

I have worked with a few who I often wonder how the hell they have lived as long as they have. People so stupid it seemed amazing they had not removed themselves from the gene pool at an early age.

 

[Nosferatu]

I have worked with a few who I often wonder how the hell they have lived as long as they have. People so stupid it seemed amazing they had not removed themselves from the gene pool at an early age.

I've worked FOR people like that.

Hell, look at our current VP.

 

[Alexx1401]

I've worked FOR people like that.

Hell, look at our current VP.

Well when she was young she used her mouth to get WAY ahead of the rest of the pack a LOT! I suspect she was wearing knee pads from the time she finished school.

 

[ScottInPDX]

So it's a Layer 8 problem.

The end user is what needs to be recalled, not the device.

PEBKAC

 

[Nosferatu]

PEBKAC

I've always known it as EBKAC: Error Between Keyboard and Chair.

I see the variations have expanded quite a bit over the years.

 

[Koda]

I have worked with a few who I often wonder how the hell they have lived as long as they have. People so stupid it seemed amazing they had not removed themselves from the gene pool at an early age.

I read the average IQ in the US is about "98", by most all IQ standards this is also about the middle of the intelligence spectrum. My guess is if 98 is the average then there are way more people below average than the median percentile. There is an old adage (I hate to use the term "idiom" here...) that a "chain is only as strong as its weakest link".


Society definitely pays the price to carry the weaker link.....

They can sure run out and find a lawyer to try to sue when they get hurt because they did not read the damn instructions though.
The sad part is the rest of us have to pay for this.

 

[Koda]

I've always known it as EBKAC: Error Between Keyboard and Chair.

I see the variations have expanded quite a bit over the years.

I suspect that not reading the instruction manual lands in the iD10t.err error code.

 

[toast]

So it's a Layer 8 problem.

The end user is what needs to be recalled, not the device.

"Replace user and press any key."

Old tech support joke.