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Look at the heinous ways mass murders are done in other parts of the world.....
some Chinese guy just rampaged out with a meat cleaver or something and sliced up about 30 people.
If there were no guns, only the methods would change and in most cases they would be more disgusting and a much bigger body count than anything that has happened here. In NY and in Oregon mass murders killed hundreds with fire bombs at dance halls. Stop attacking the constitution and an inanimate object for the mental sickness of humans !!!!!!

And they will resort to gasoline, bombs, vehicles and things that are a hundred times more deadly.
Get real you left wing MSM zombies. They can't see beyond the ends of their paid for nose jobs and
left wing media moguls.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/07/aurora_shooting_how_did_people_commit_mass_murder_before_automatic_weapons_.html

Going Postal, Pre-Pistol
How did mass murderers operate before the advent of modern weapons?
By Brian Palmer


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In the 1800s, a French man killed three people with a bill hook.

Photograph by Dave White/Thinkstock.


The shooting spree that killed 12 people in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater on Friday has sparked a public debate about the availability of automatic weapons. Gun control advocates argue that mass murder is exceedingly difficult without them. One source told the Washington Post, "It's kind of hard to be a pseudo-commando with a musket in the 18th century." How did people commit mass murder before the advent of automatic weapons?


Often with fire. Revolutionary War veteran Barnett Davenport is widely considered the first mass murderer in U.S. history. On the evening of Feb. 3, 1780, Davenport burst into the bedroom of his employer, Caleb Mallory, and began to bludgeon Mallory and his wife with a club. When the club broke in two, Davenport beat the couple to death with Mallory's gun. If Davenport had stopped there, he would be remembered as just an ordinary killer; most criminologists define mass murder as the killing of at least three people in a single incident. After beating the Mallorys to death, however, Davenport burned the house down, killing their three grandchildren.

Hundreds of other mass murderers have perpetrated their crimes without automatic firearms. Frenchman Pierre Riviere killed his mother, sister, and brother with a bill hook in 1835. In 1932, Julian Marcelino, a Filipino immigrant of relatively small stature, managed to kill six and wound 15 on a Seattle street using only a pair of blades. In 1915, Monroe Phillips shot seven dead and wounded 32 with a shotgun in Georgia.

Guns aren't even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed 4.52 people per incident. Fire killed 6.82 people per mass murder, while explosives far outpaced the other options at 20.82. Of the 25 deadliest mass murders in the 20th century, only 52 percent involved guns.

The U.S. mass murder rate does not seem to rise or fall with the availability of automatic weapons. It reached its highest level in 1929, when fully automatic firearms were expensive and mostly limited to soldiers and organized criminals. The rate dipped in the mid-1930s, staying relatively low before surging again in the 1970s through 1990s. Some criminologists attribute the late-century spike to the potential for instant notoriety: Beginning with Charles Whitman's 1966 shooting spree from atop a University of Texas tower, mass murderers became household names. Others point out that the mass murder rate fairly closely tracks the overall homicide rate. In the 2000s, for example, both the mass murder and the homicide rates dropped to their lowest levels since the 1960s.

A mass murderer's weapon of choice depends somewhat on his victims. Attacks with guns, fire, knives, and bare hands are far more likely to be directed against family and acquaintances than total strangers, while mass murderers prefer to use explosives against people they don't know. Also of note: Those who use firearms in a killing spree turn the gun on themselves 34 percent of the time, while only 9 percent of mass-murdering arsonists take their own lives.
Yikes... I'll take the bullet over the meat cleaver thank you very much :eek:.
 
How many variables can there be in the category of 300+ million people in a free society which allows the release of death statistics.....

USA? Yes
Russia? Fail
China? Fail
India? Possible
Japan? Fail
Italy? Fail
Germany? Fail
Austrailia? Fail

The report fails to follow 8th grade Bolean Algebra, and fails too consider the reality of abortion in their constants.

So, lacking the logical and moral standing, I can't find much merit in this report.

A good read, thanks.
 
Most methods that these Mental cases would resort to would cause tens or hundreds of times the number of bodies if they decide to commit their deeds and with the states of mind that usually goes with them, they WOULD choose those methods and the only way to stop them would be a straight jacket a lead weight and a lake. If these left wing azzes really want that kind of body count that is what they will get if they get their ways.
They just have no clue and we all suffer because of them !!

I could easily tell how to stop all their damage but it would get away from the "gun related" context that is required here so I will refrain in suggesting the solution.
 
America, while we do have mass shootings here far more people have been kill by planned parenthood than have ever been killed with guns.
 
America, while we do have mass shootings here far more people have been kill by planned parenthood than have ever been killed with guns.

Yes you pinned that one 10x and with the revelations of the things they have done that has come out in the videos, the body count far exceeds any mass murderer that has picked up a gun in this country.
They cannot deny it any longer. It is all on tape and video and out in the open to even congress now.
 
Yes you pinned that one 10x and with the revelations of the things they have done that has come out in the videos, the body count far exceeds any mass murderer that has picked up a gun in this country.
They cannot deny it any longer. It is all on tape and video and out in the open to even congress now.

They go after our gun rights yet 50 million have been killed in our PP centers. If they really cared about life they would stop the real carnage. Doctors kill more every year than guns do.
 
They go after our gun rights yet 50 million have been killed in our PP centers. If they really cared about life they would stop the real carnage. Doctors kill more every year than guns do.

Infections in the medical facilities, vehicular deaths, drowning, food poisoning, etc, yet no one tries to ban anything surrounding those things. They just have a diarrhea of the brain attack at our gun rights. The left really does have a mental disorder that makes them blind
and you know that the real cause is the control issue that want. The 2nd stops them from having control of everyone else's life. They get the runs at that.........................:mad:
 
More people were murdered in the Rwandan genocide in an 100 day period by blade instruments than have been murdered in the USA by guns from the beginning of the country's existence. That would be in 239 years.

In this country if we ban guns from law abiding citizens, our country will actually deteriorate into barbarianism, as gangs of heavily armed criminals will go around taking over neighborhoods. In fact, most of our inner cities are ruled by gangs and drug lords who are heavily armed despite the fact that guns (even knives) are banned in those cities.
 
If they want to stop mass murders then they have to get people to value life again. Government killing 50 million babies and selling their body parts sure doesn't show they value life. Yet they want to steal our guns so we can't protect our lives. We need better people in government.
 
More people were murdered in the Rwandan genocide in an 100 day period by blade instruments than have been murdered in the USA by guns from the beginning of the country's existence. That would be in 239 years.

In this country if we ban guns from law abiding citizens, our country will actually deteriorate into barbarianism, as gangs of heavily armed criminals will go around taking over neighborhoods. In fact, most of our inner cities are ruled by gangs and drug lords who are heavily armed despite the fact that guns (even knives) are banned in those cities.

You hit that square on and it is the reason that the final fight will come before we are disarmed. They again have no clue to what they are trying to do and they greatly misjudge the resolve of Real Americans. Most do not even know what it means to be an American anymore.
They will learn if they continue. Hope I am still around to see it happen.
 
Justification for taking another's life starts with the government. If they don't value the inocent then it reflects through society. Killing is the issue.

I suppose with that statement we should target obesity as well. I've seen obesity lead to diabetes and heart disease too many times to count. The unfortunate consequence of this is a premature death and a less full filled life.
 
Infections in the medical facilities, vehicular deaths, drowning, food poisoning, etc, yet no one tries to ban anything surrounding those things. They just have a diarrhea of the brain attack at our gun rights. The left really does have a mental disorder that makes them blind
and you know that the real cause is the control issue that want. The 2nd stops them from having control of everyone else's life. They get the runs at that.........................:mad:

Yep. They ignore a LOT of deaths, including shootings, all over this country every single day. They ignore them because the stories don't fit their MSM model of gun violence. Much of it is black on black inner-city violence - and those deaths aren't the kind that generate protests, looting or rioting, nor do they trigger big speeches by blowhards like Jackson and Sharpton. The reason, I think, is that those kinds of shootings won't generate the kind of white guilt that causes certain people to send money to groups like Sharpton's to help atone for their perceived part in the racial bigotry they claim is so prevalent.

According to a story I read earlier, a total of 4 people have to be killed to be considered a 'mass shooting'. Including the shooter, he only got 3 making him one short of a 'mass shooting'. Funny, I've heard the term 'mass shooting' tossed out by several MSM folks regarding this incident - they just can't wait to rack up another one for their anti-gun agenda.

I posted the following in another thread earlier this month, the numbers are interesting when you consider not much is said about these murder victims:

Shooting victims to date for 2015 in Chicago: 1,493!!

Consider these stats - total number of people killed in "mass shootings" between 1998 and 2015 is 560 (source: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data)

Total people killed by guns in CHICAGO ALONE in 2014: 343 (source:http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2014-chicago-murders/explore-data)

So just Chicago alone, in one year, racked up MORE THAN 1/2 the TOTAL NUMBER OF MASS SHOOTING DEATHS OVER A 17 YEAR PERIOD!!!!

Where is the yelling and screaming for the Chicago victims? Where are the nightly stories on the news where a dour-faced Obama laments gun violence in his home town? Where are the task forces, and even more restrictive gun laws in a state where, clearly, the gun laws are failing miserably!?

The truth? Mass shootings, as horrible and tragic as they are, are NOT the big problem. Looking at places like Chicago, LA, New York and others, you see that you are in far more danger being inside these gun-free bastions of extreme anti-gun legislation than you are in any area where guns are more openly and freely allowed and carried.
 

Add or I should say, subtract from that simple pie chart the asinine definition of mass shooting the anti-gun Progressives use.

Mother Jones defines "mass shooting" as an incident involving multiple victims of gun violence.

Gang on gang is included as well as a crazed family member offing a few of his own. Never mind he would use a club or an axe if no gun was handy. And many do just that!
 
Yep. They ignore a LOT of deaths, including shootings, all over this country every single day. They ignore them because the stories don't fit their MSM model of gun violence. Much of it is black on black inner-city violence - and those deaths aren't the kind that generate protests, looting or rioting, nor do they trigger big speeches by blowhards like Jackson and Sharpton. The reason, I think, is that those kinds of shootings won't generate the kind of white guilt that causes certain people to send money to groups like Sharpton's to help atone for their perceived part in the racial bigotry they claim is so prevalent.

According to a story I read earlier, a total of 4 people have to be killed to be considered a 'mass shooting'. Including the shooter, he only got 3 making him one short of a 'mass shooting'. Funny, I've heard the term 'mass shooting' tossed out by several MSM folks regarding this incident - they just can't wait to rack up another one for their anti-gun agenda.

I posted the following in another thread earlier this month, the numbers are interesting when you consider not much is said about these murder victims:

Shooting victims to date for 2015 in Chicago: 1,493!!

Consider these stats - total number of people killed in "mass shootings" between 1998 and 2015 is 560 (source: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data)

Total people killed by guns in CHICAGO ALONE in 2014: 343 (source:http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2014-chicago-murders/explore-data)

So just Chicago alone, in one year, racked up MORE THAN 1/2 the TOTAL NUMBER OF MASS SHOOTING DEATHS OVER A 17 YEAR PERIOD!!!!

Where is the yelling and screaming for the Chicago victims? Where are the nightly stories on the news where a dour-faced Obama laments gun violence in his home town? Where are the task forces, and even more restrictive gun laws in a state where, clearly, the gun laws are failing miserably!?

The truth? Mass shootings, as horrible and tragic as they are, are NOT the big problem. Looking at places like Chicago, LA, New York and others, you see that you are in far more danger being inside these gun-free bastions of extreme anti-gun legislation than you are in any area where guns are more openly and freely allowed and carried.


Exactly. Now if we can get the opposition to listen to this and hear the logical side of the argument.
 
Some more statistics on how many people die by various accidental/intentional means:

Deaths by:

Motor Vehicle Accidents: 35,369
Alcohol Induced Deaths: 29,001
Drug Induced Deaths: 46,471
Falls: 30,208
Drowning: 3,391
Poisoning: 38,851
Suicide: 41,149 (21,175 by firearm)
Gun Homicide: 11,208
Accidental Discharge of Firearms: 505

Maybe we also need background checks (oh, and registration too) of ladders, scaffolds, alcohol, swimming pools, bathtubs (or anything else that holds large quantities of water), any chemical or medication of any kind, ropes, etc.

And a big one: Smoking - 480,000 deaths annually, including 48,000 from secondhand smoke. In other words, 4 times more innocent bystanders die due to the results of secondhand smoke every year than die by gun homicide. But yet, we focus all our energy on restricting and regulating guns while tobacco remains the largely untouched (save for HUGE tax revenues o_O) killer/elephant in the room. The hypocrisy of the people that expend so much effort regulating the sales of guns, in the name of saving lives, yet turn their backs on tobacco blows my mind. At least guns have a variety of good/positive uses, such as self-defense and hunting. Can you say the same for tobacco?

Maybe it's time to require background checks on every pack of cigarettes too? Seems common sense to me, right?

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/
 

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