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Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by The Heretic, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    "Deserted" Island? What's that?

    I assume this means an uninhabited island.

    I assume from the sunscreen and hammock that they are probably thinking an island somewhere in the tropics.

    Choose-4-Items-To-Survive.jpg

    Now of course, it is going to depend a lot on further info about the island and how you came to be there - after all, what good would a rifle do you if there are no animals on the island?

    So, let's expand this a bit; first, the island is in the tropics, uninhabited, you don't know if it has any animals, the island has a small mountain with vegetation and is about 5 miles across, it does have fresh water, you are there because of a boating or airplane accident and you are there by yourself, there are no other islands anywhere near it that you know of.

    You have time to remove 4 items from the boat or plane before the boat sinks or the plane burns up.

    What do you choose?

    What 10 items would you choose?

    My four choices:

    First Aid Kit
    Knife
    Water purifier
    Fishing rod (assuming it has line and appropriate bait)

    The FAK and knife are obvious IMO - the latter indispensable.

    Water purifier - even though there is fresh water, even where there are no people, the water may make you sick without purification. While you could boil the water, that would take time and fuel and require building a fire.

    Fishing rod == food.

    I could build a fire without matches. A fire can be made into a signal fire - smoke being seen farther than a signal flare, although not at night.

    Shelter should be able to be made with materials on hand. Cooking can be done over an open fire. Making a container for boiling might be able to be done with materials from the plane or boat, if the pot was in a plane, a fire would probably not destroy it.

    Ten items:

    First Aid Kit
    Knife
    Water purifier
    Fishing rod (assuming it has line and appropriate bait)
    Pot
    Hand saw
    Sunscreen
    Rope
    Matches
    Tarp
    Vitamins
     
  2. druiseeker

    druiseeker Salem Member 2015 Volunteer

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    Four Things:

    Knife
    Pot
    Raft
    FAK

    With a knife I can make traps, cut firewood, make shelter, craft cups and bowls, fishing spear, etc. The pot would do the water purification and storage and food prep. The raft would help with shelter, gathering rain/condensation (if no freshwater available), and possible help with fishing or escape. Cordage can be made from local vegetation for a TON of uses ranging from helping with crafting fishing line, fishing spears, traps, shelter and more. Fishing hooks can be made via knapping, carving or naturally from thistle type plants (if present). The FAK is a gimme. I've gotten cuts and infections from too many things in the outdoors.

    Ten Things:

    Knife
    FAK
    Pot
    Raft
    Water Purifier
    Tarp
    Rope
    Fishing Rod
    Matches
    Hammock (creepy crawlies suck)

    I'd rather have a ferro rod with the knife than matches. Every knife I own has one attached to it. Most of my survival or bushcraft knifes either came with one or had an attachment for it on the sheath. While I've made friction fires via bow drill and other methods, its a pain in the behind (or I just might not be very good at it). I'd take tarp, rope, raft and fishing rod to make my life much easier. The the less calories and effort spent initially, the more likely my survival.
     
  3. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    purifier, insect repellant, knife, matches
     
  4. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member

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    Can you take multiples of the same item, for example, two knives? If so, I would take the 5 ounces of weed four times for a total of 20 ounces. Unless it's schwag, then I would probably take a knife, first aid kit, water purifier, and either the fishing rod or rifle.
     
  5. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Knife
    FAK
    Pot -the metal kind
    Matches

    Everything else i could improvise, but id like an extra way to make fire. I can boil water to purify it.
     
  6. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Boots
    Knife
    Vitamins
    Kettle Pot
     
  7. Sideways

    Sideways The Dalles New Member

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    I surprised no one has said a mirror. Most rescues are from the air and a signal mirror is one of the best ways to attract attention over great distances not to mention unlimited fire starters.

    My list.

    Knife
    Mirror
    Tarp
    Metal pot
     
  8. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Mirrors only work during a sunny day, are hard to point without the correct aiming setup, are extremely directional and timing dependent (the searcher has to be looking right at the mirror at the exact point in time you are flashing the mirror at the searcher), are a line of sight signal (can't see it over the horizon like a smoke signal or flare) and in general hard to see. If you are surrounded by vegetation a signal mirror can be very limited if not useless.

    Also, in general, seeing something in the distance that is obviously a reflection, doesn't necessarily mean it is a distress signal, whereas a flare usually does. Smoke from a fire in an area where there shouldn't be smoke, also often gets people's attention. If you are on the ocean on a sunny day, it can be hard for the searcher to differentiate between sun reflecting off the waves and sun reflecting off a small mirror. Then there is the issue of you having to know when and how to use it. You may not know there is a ship or plane in the distance because it may be too far away for you to see, much less hear. Whereas a smoke column from a signal fire can keep going for hours with minimal attention from the person tending it.

    I am not saying that a person shouldn't have a small quality signal mirror in their kit (I prefer it be in my FAK as there are many injuries where you need a mirror to see an injury to treat it) - I am just saying, from personal experience (4 years in SAR in the USCG) that a mirror is hard to see. If I had to choose between the mirror and a flare gun, I would choose the latter and I would maintain a smoky signal fire during the day (possibly a bonfire on some high point on the island) during the night), assuming I had somebody searching for me and/or ships that had been notified to be on the lookout (they may not come to the island, but they quite possibly may report a smoke column or bonfire on an island that isn't supposed to have either and then hopefully someone will investigate).

    What I would take over anything else in that list, but that is missing, would be one of the varieties of Emergency Locator Beacons - assuming it would be in working condition - most of which will get you rescued fairly quickly and reliably - assuming that is what you need and want.
     
  9. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    With the way the world is going lately, maybe not being rescued would be a better plan.
     
  10. Cryobot

    Cryobot Portland Area Member

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    Knife, matches, pot, water purifier
     
  11. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    That depends on the person, the location and their situation.

    If I didn't have a family that depended on me, and I wasn't 60+ years old, I might like the challenge, but even then I would bet that it would get old pretty quick.
     
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  12. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    You're right, not everyone is cut out for an extended solitary existence.
    I've read a lot of books on this subject and it takes a certain kind of person to thrive, mentally and physically.
     
  13. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I could mentally live alone easily with regards to being solitary.

    I am borderline Aspergers and I have always been a solitary person. I spent months in Alaska more or less alone (no social contact, only getting groceries or supplies, talking to my boss on the phone) and I live alone (more or less - I have neighbors - but I don't crave their contact) now on the mountain.

    It is the physical part of it that would probably put me in the ground pretty quickly.

    Then there is the responsibility to my family. Even though I visit them infrequently, I feel I need to be near to them in order to help out when they need something.
     
  14. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    4 items: Knife, hammock, rope, water purifier.

    10 items: 4 above +

    Hiking boots
    First Aid Kit
    Hand Saw
    Rifle
    Cooking Pot
    Tarp
     
  15. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    The rifle. To keep ever one offa my f'in island.
    And speaking of "the rifle", that sure looks like a lame air rifle.. all subliminal and all. Come on, a "rifle" is a 30-06.
     
  16. cooperritchey

    cooperritchey molalla OR Member

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    Weed, matches, knife, gun.
    The weed can be used to heal open wounds.
     
  17. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I'm just glad the wife wasn't on the list.
     
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  18. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Well the knife,FAK,water purifier
    Then I have to decide which is more important,my baby soft feet or the fact that bugs love me.
     
  19. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I never go anywhere without decent footwear on my feet.

    The exceptions; weddings and funerals.
     
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  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Why you all be hating on a soccer ball!?