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Many good and valid points have been made in this thread. And just about all
of them I find myself nodding in the affirmative.
While it's true that technology has shrunken our world and the elites are busy trying to control it...
The truth is the common man for the most part has lost his moral compass... He's lost that one grounding point in his life...
Honestly, broken families, lack of morals, devaluation of human life, personal greed, lack of compassion, blurring the lines between right and wrong, political correctness, participation awards, everyone wins even when they've really lost, it's not Johnnies fault he murdered, raped or stole, he's just a victim of his circumstances, are all contributing factors to our downfall... We have made excuses rather than take responsibility...
Perhaps if we stopped murdering our unborn, put God back in our schools, included him in our daily lives and behaved as if one day we would be judged on what we've done, if we could just regain our collective conscience...
Then perhaps there would be hope for this once great society... And the world as a whole...
My rant is over and I've got the flame retardant underwear on...
Good morning forum members. With great trepidation I would like to add my .02 worth to this important thread...
Back in the late 1990s there was a book written [study actually] called "The Fourth Turning" written by Strauss and Howe. It was a thought provoking and startling look at Western patterns of history since 1360AD. The quick book review was that history itself is not linear [despite what most have been taught] but it is cyclical and always repeating although with different generations. The authors re-discovered what the ancient philosophers already knew. History plays out [repeats if you will] over an approximate 80-100 year cycle called a "saculem"... the life span of a long lived human being. Each generation of new people live through their own saculem. The saculem was further divided into 4 specific generational experiences called "turnings". I apologize here that a lot of you probably already know of this. However, I want to lay a very basic framework of understanding for those unfamiliar with The Fourth Turning insights.
Each of these turnings correspond to Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter. When each generation [20-25 years] is born they experience the turnings in order. For those of us born in the First Turning 1945-1965 have experienced a different life experience than those born in the 1980s for example. That's why for me I can honestly say the times we are now living in remind me of the 1960's on steroids! I'll quickly cut to the chase here In about 2008 all of us have entered the Winter [Fourth] Turning. Like winter, more cold and stormy days are ahead for everyone. This cycle has played and replayed every 80-100 years since the 1300s. There are great charts about this in the book. Yes, we are all feeling the generational pressure of dis-ease and we don't exactly know what to do. I believe my last sentence sums up the sentiments I have been reading on this thread. What is happening is to be expected given the Fourth Turning saculem the world has just entered. That's the helpful news. The scary [for me] part is EVERY 4th Turning has ended with nasty world wars. WW2 was the last winter turning. Before that it was the Civil War. Before that it was the American Revolution. This Fourth Turning is expected to last until about 2025. So, we are all in it for the long haul so to speak. If this interests you there are numerous sites on the web dealing with The Fourth Turning. The book itself is still on Amazon. I own two dog eared and marked up copies myself.
My final intent with this response is to simply lay out some framework that has been helpful to me and hope it gives others the same help and understandings. I am NO EXPERT and I have nothing to sell. But, you already know that about me. Thanks for reading this. Pops
But don't have a pledge of alligence with the word God in it... Too many double standards...
To a point you're correct. When it comes to children, what their wants are and what they're exposed to, brings limits with it. Limits set by parents and laws both.Same thing here in Portland: "Satan worshippers" saying that if schools allow after school Christian prayer meetings then they MUST allow the Church of Satan too. Here, though, it seems to be more of a Portland-y lark rather than real devil worshippers.
Ridiculousness aside, they do bring up a serious and real legal point. Under both the equal protection clause of the Constitution as well as the "no establishment of religion clause," if the govt. (at any level) allows one religion to meet on its property then they have to allow them ALL, even the unpopular ones. Christians are not supposed to get special privileges. Muslims, Buddhists, or whatever all can demand the same. If you are a die hard Constitutionalist then you have to concede this point even if you are yourself a Christian. Fudge on this point and you (IMHO) give up the moral/legal high ground on our cherished Second Amendment too.
To a point you're correct. When it comes to children, what their wants are and what they're exposed to, brings limits with it. Limits set by parents and laws both.
Children should not be exposed to, or granted access to hardcore porn via the school system regardless of constitutional law and the wishes of Larry Flint and the ACLU. That is upheld by the courts, on the grounds it is considered "obscene," and opens the door for abuse.
In addition, as long as children and their conduct are considered the responsibility of their parents, said parents must have, and should have a greater voice in the determination of whether or not satanic services/studies serve the children's common good, along with most other proposals that have the potential impact on a child's life that this one carries with it.
I can easily see a scenario where the PTA would/could be successful in having the satanists tossed out in most communities, regardless of any equal time arguments made before the school board.
I certainly wouldn't bet on PDX public school parents to exhibit that level of common sense however.
That would go against the grain of the "Keep Portland Weird" crowd.
We're not talking about satanists and/or porn in the home. We're talking about satanists and porn in the schools.The children and porn reference is a red herring, so I'll ignore it.
The rest is the infamous "but what about the children?" argument. Let's use that in a Second Amendment context:
"Yes, the Constitution says you can have guns, but guns are a danger to children. Therefore if you have children in your house your right to have guns should be taken away or restricted. For the children!"
People who disagree with you may have a bit more common sense than you give them credit for. Well, we'll see...
The world has become devoid of leaders.