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What to check when buying milsurp rifles?

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Joe Link, Aug 25, 2008.

  1. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    For some reason, I feel like buying a gun today. I figure it's probably about time to start my milsurp collection, so I think I'll head to GI Joes & Big 5 to see what they have in stock. I know Big 5 is advertising M44's for $99, so that seems like a good bet.

    The thing is, I know nothing about inspecting these old rifles for condition and/or wear. What should I look for? I'll probably end up buying whatever I can get for around $100, maybe two or three rifles though none of the same. Any suggestions as to what else I can expect to find besides the M44's?
     
  2. PhysicsGuy

    PhysicsGuy Corvallis, OR Resident Science Nut

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    One thing to look for is the stamps on the top of the reciever, which have the date along with the "symbol" of the manufacturers country, there is a site somewhere that talks about all of the identifying marks of mosins.
     
  3. sweetbeard

    sweetbeard Beavertown OreGUN! New Member

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    Obviously check all the ones they have but Mosins usually have alot of bore pitting!
     
  4. Ballistic

    Ballistic Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    Big 5 is actually a decent place to get an M44. When i bought my 91/30 at Big 5, they let me look through the bore with a bore light. They also opened up as many boxes as i wanted until i found the one i wanted.

    Things to look for:

    1. Stock. They come in either wood or laminate. M44 is usually laminate and very nice looking. But it's a personal preference; makes no difference to the gun.

    2. Bore. Get a good bore with strong rifling. Many are counter-bored. Most people don't like that, but it won't affect it's shooting capability.

    3. Serial numbers. There are 4 serial numbers: bolt, receiver, butt plate, and floor plate. They should all match and they should all be stamped (not electro-penciled).

    4. Make sure it has a cleaning rod.

    5. Many have excellent bluing. If it is thin or gone, look further.

    6. While holding the trigger back, the bolt comes right out. Make sure the bolt assembly isn't too loose or corroded. A little play in the parts is acceptable, but not much. With the bolt out, check the bore!

    7. If all you're looking for is a fun plinker, get a solid, clean rifle and you'll be good to go. If you're interested in collecting, oh man, that's a whole other world...

    Finally, always have the headspace checked by a gunsmith before you shoot. Price will vary. Guncrafters in Salem has never charged me for this.

    Then go home a clean out cosmoline for the next few hours.

    The ultimate Mosin Nagant sight is http://7.62x54r.net/ everything on the rifle is there.
     
  5. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    After looking in four different locations, two Big 5's and two GI Joes, I finally found a decent example of an M44. Actually, I think it's in really good condition. The stock is in good shape, the bluing is perfect, numbers match, bore is bright with good rifling (though it is counterbored), and if you told me it had never been fired I'd probably believe you. I'll be sure to post pics tomorrow. I'm extremely excited, as is Jenny. Who wants to see a video of her shooting it for the first time? :D
     
  6. Ballistic

    Ballistic Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    I'd like to see that!

    M44 has a good solid kick, so be prepared. If you shoot at dusk, you get to enjoy a nuclear fireball for a light show.

    Make sure you shoot with the bayonet extended. They were sighted in with it extended and the point of impact moves considerably.

    HAVE FUN! They're addictive...
     
  7. Oohrah

    Oohrah NorthwestSouthern Oregon Coast Member

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    Most important is finding one with the very best bore possible.
    So many milsurp rifles use corrosive ammo that sometimes could
    not be cleaned after use. Next would be the outside finish, followed
    by a sound stock
     
  8. Zeke Menuar

    Zeke Menuar Oregon Monsoon Central Member

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    Beware, Mosin's breed in the safe.

    Flame On!

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  9. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Holy bubblegum! I can't wait!!
     
  10. friskydingo

    friskydingo Oregon, NorCal, and Panama. Yes. All three New Member

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    i want that
     
  11. Ballistic

    Ballistic Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    These are cheap guns with cheap ammo. Everyone should have one! Watch the ads every week at Big 5.
     
  12. Zeke Menuar

    Zeke Menuar Oregon Monsoon Central Member

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    Careful. Mosins breed in the safe. I started out with one and ended up with six.
     
  13. friskydingo

    friskydingo Oregon, NorCal, and Panama. Yes. All three New Member

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    sell one too me for cheap?
     
  14. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Talk to coctailer ;)
     
  15. friskydingo

    friskydingo Oregon, NorCal, and Panama. Yes. All three New Member

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    naw, hittin the gun broker in tigard. ETA= 10 AM
     
  16. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm 99% sure you'll get a better deal from him on a Mosin ;)
     
  17. friskydingo

    friskydingo Oregon, NorCal, and Panama. Yes. All three New Member

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    i knooows of somebody who will beat his price actually.
     
  18. sweetbeard

    sweetbeard Beavertown OreGUN! New Member

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    Too bad your not old enough to buy one :thumbup:
     
  19. friskydingo

    friskydingo Oregon, NorCal, and Panama. Yes. All three New Member

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    shush. good thing my mom likes to buy guns.
     
  20. torpedoman

    torpedoman land of corrupt politicians Member

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    on mosins look for the double headed eagle hard to find the commies hammered them all off. look inside of receiver for evidence of two screw holes, ex sniper (has no bearing on present accuracy)