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Why house them for the rest of their lives. Treason has only one remedy and we all know what that is.
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I will answer by quoting Patrick Henry March, 1775
MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to
arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to
arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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To me the question is what is the price for selling out my family's safety and well being from those that wish to do them harm. Knowing that I had done this I could not live with myself so to me there is no price that I am willing to accept. If they wish to remove my right to self defense they will need to take my guns by force.
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Alternate option, I would settle for all the Gun Grabbers proclaiming me their new god, and leaping into Kilauea Caldera sacrificing themselves in my name.
Of course, once they're all Crispy Critters I'll just buy more guns anyway...
Of course, once they're all Crispy Critters I'll just buy more guns anyway...
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They are playing the long game, and they know it. Power, if not for them, then for there children, or for there grandchildren.
They know exactly what a disarmed populace leads to. Tyranny!
Sun Tzu, The Art of War:
"NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR OPPONENT
DEFINING IDEA...'Beware the wolf in sheep's clothing.'∼ CAUTIONARY FOLKLORE SAYING
Master Sun talks often about deception and therefore warns against being deceived by the enemy and underestimating their ability. 'He who exercises no forethought but makes light of his opponents is sure to be captured by them.' It's important to properly assess your opponent without prejudice or assumption."
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How about this method: Scroll down on this "look inside" view of the book "Deception Point" to where it says "PROLOGUE". Read first 3 pages:
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You have to click "look inside" just above the picture of the book on the left, THEN scroll down when the inside view appears:
https://www.amazon.com/Deception-Point-Dan-Brown/dp/1416524800#reader_1416524800
No dogs though.
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IP43?
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What about 1776?
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I saw a photo in a gun book perhaps 40 years ago. It was (if my memory is right) a 57" long bullet path thru a bunch of pine blocks. They'd cut the blocks in 1/2 along the length of the path - the slug was at the end of the path. The blocks must have been held together in a vice of some kind. The caption said the slug was a "solid" fired from a .375 H&H Magnum.
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Money or lives? Lives. Theirs.
Trump says "Come And Take It":
Trump at NRA Convention: 'Come and Take It' | Breitbart
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Exactly, that's why I didn't say anything else...It's a public forum...decorum
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That's my point. Very rare.
To occur in the same country, successfully (not breaking apart etc) the second time?
Entering into the exceedingly rare territory.
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It really gets me that the democrat from kali is saying they will buy our gun rights for 15 billion and if we don't sell them then he will put us in prison...or kill us. There is no doubt where the tyranny is comming from or how far they will go to take our rights or freedom. Its' going to cost a lot more than 15 billion
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It not just my guns that would be sold, it would be every citizen in the future that would lose rights because of my/our greed. As tempting as it would be to live worry free and hire armed guards. That money would fade and our future would be left defenseless.
I can man up and say I have not always done the right thing, but by God there no F'N way I would sell out at any price for my Grandchildren's and all future generation's. There was one man that got people to sell their souls for the promised land and millions died so he could have what he wanted. You may know him his name is Hitler. Id like to think my Moral compass may have some rust , but it still functions just fine, so thats a Big No not at any price.
I can man up and say I have not always done the right thing, but by God there no F'N way I would sell out at any price for my Grandchildren's and all future generation's. There was one man that got people to sell their souls for the promised land and millions died so he could have what he wanted. You may know him his name is Hitler. Id like to think my Moral compass may have some rust , but it still functions just fine, so thats a Big No not at any price.
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First of all I would like to advise all the Leftists Anti-Gun Dems in the USA. That many of us are too old to give up our Second Amendment and Constitutional Rights. Many hear have served in the Military or Public Safety preserving our Rights. So it would not be the first time we have faced confrontation. That also goes for the wet behind the ears young people protesting today against our Second Amendment Constitutional Rights. And if they would ever think they would get all of our guns they have rocks in their heads. I as many here IMO would do whatever necessary as one here previously posted, to not allow them to ever have our Family Heirlooms! For example my Grandfathers guns!
They can take that to the Bank! They are not dealing with Liberal weak Pansies regarding this issue. They need to remember they would be dealing with "True American Patriots". I wonder how much guts they would really have if it ever came to this? Going Door to Door in an attempt to take our guns! It could be a very hazardous occupation to be in, if you know what I mean!
As Charleston Heston stated. They can have my guns when they pry my cold dead wet hands from them! SO we can rather be sheep or Americans. OMI
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They can take that to the Bank! They are not dealing with Liberal weak Pansies regarding this issue. They need to remember they would be dealing with "True American Patriots". I wonder how much guts they would really have if it ever came to this? Going Door to Door in an attempt to take our guns!
It could be a very hazardous occupation to be in, if you know what I mean!As Charleston Heston stated. They can have my guns when they pry my cold dead wet hands from them! SO we can rather be sheep or Americans. OMI
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I do not know all the facts and circumstances yet. It is my opinion that if they come for our firearms they had better come prepared - I suspect that someone will not be walking away from that fight and it may very well be me. So be it. I am not willing to give away my rights at any price.
I find it Ironic that the tools that they will use and the salaries of those that are to trying to take away our guns are being paid for with money collected from gun owners paychecks. In a weird way we are kind of doing this to ourselves.
I find it Ironic that the tools that they will use and the salaries of those that are to trying to take away our guns are being paid for with money collected from gun owners paychecks. In a weird way we are kind of doing this to ourselves.
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3 trillions dollars just for one of my rifles. Not a penny less.
And that's just for a promise that I'd let em knock on the door at least.
And that's just for a promise that I'd let em knock on the door at least.
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Me? Well, Im old, ugly and poor... not a lot they can take from me. "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country"...
"How beautiful is death, when earn'd by virtue!
Who would not be that youth? What pity is it
That we can die but once to serve our country" .
--Joseph Addison, "Cato"--
"How beautiful is death, when earn'd by virtue!
Who would not be that youth? What pity is it
That we can die but once to serve our country" .
--Joseph Addison, "Cato"--
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