What is the dollar amount you would sell your constitutional rights for?

[DuneHopper]

Me? Well, Im old, ugly and poor... not a lot they can take from me. "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country"...
"How beautiful is death, when earn'd by virtue!
Who would not be that youth? What pity is it
That we can die but once to serve our country" .
--Joseph Addison, "Cato"--

Amen to This !

 

[Geardo]

I will answer by quoting Patrick Henry March, 1775
MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to
arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

That dude was all out of bubblegum.

 

[Geardo]

That's my point. Very rare.

To occur in the same country, successfully (not breaking apart etc) the second time?

Entering into the exceedingly rare territory.

Our country and constitution was DESIGNED to be reset every so often. It should have been immediately after the civil war, or WW2 before the M.I.C took hold amd federal power became almighty.

We were meant to be a federation of loosely affiliated states. Not some giant country with worthless lines on a map.

 

[DunRanull]

The speech by Patrick Henry is bold and stirring.. he spoke true facts..
Unfortunately, while he spoke these brave words of rebellion against tyranny,
Outside the hall, his slave held his horses for him
giving the lie to his hypocritical sentiments

 

[11Charlie]

Those who know me know exactly my thoughts!

 

[Geardo]

The speech by Patrick Henry is bold and stirring.. he spoke true facts..
Unfortunately, while he spoke these brave words of rebellion against tyranny,
Outside the hall, his slave held his horses for him
giving the lie to his hypocritical sentiments

Everyone is a hypocritical about something.... Except me. I am perfect.

 

[NW Backpacker]

It really gets me that the democrat from kali is saying they will buy our gun rights for 15 billion and if we don't sell them then he will put us in prison...or kill us. There is no doubt where the tyranny is comming from or how far they will go to take our rights or freedom. Its' going to cost a lot more than 15 billion

Oregon's population is about 1.27% of the total US population. If there are around 300 million guns in the US, then in Oregon there are around 3.8 million guns. $15B would come out to $3,922 per gun. Dollar wise that would be a good deal for me - but for some folks it would not be that great. I'd sell 'em all for that - then pay a relative in another state to buy guns and give them to me for BD and Christmas; then pocket the difference. So, they might get some takers in Oregon at $3,922/gun.

 

[Crazyeye24]

15billion of tax payer money....so we'd be buying our own rights from ourselves...screw that! I'd rather die fighting to retain my rights than live under the rule of the elites (anymore than I already am).

 

[bsa1917hunter]

The ultimate test of gun owners.

What would you do when they show up at your house.

Give them up so as to continuing living the life you live.

Start shooting.

Ask LaVoy Finicum how the second one went.

I hope I can make it to the party where gun owners unite and fight back.

The problem is, many of us likely wont be lucky enough to make it to that party. Lets hope it doesnt come down to that, but............theres a lot of weird things in this country that we thought would never happen. Seems like more and more every year.

 

[NW Backpacker]

I will answer by quoting Patrick Henry March, 1775
MR. PRESIDENT: No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to
arrive at truth, and fulfil the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offence, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves, and the House? Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these war-like preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled, that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask, gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done, to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free² if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending²if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations; and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable²and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace²but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

That was awesome! It describes EXACTLY where we are in Oregon today. Instead of the British as oppressors, today we have 3 anti-gun, un-American sponsors of IP43 as our enemy.

 

[mkwerx]

Oregon's population is about 1.27% of the total US population. If there are around 300 million guns in the US, then in Oregon there are around 3.8 million guns. $15B would come out to $3,922 per gun. Dollar wise that would be a good deal for me - but for some folks it would not be that great. I'd sell 'em all for that - then pay a relative in another state to buy guns and give them to me for BD and Christmas; then pocket the difference. So, they might get some takers in Oregon at $3,922/gun.

If theres only $15B to spread to 300,000,000 guns, thats a whopping $50 per gun.

 

[DunRanull]

If theres only $15B to spread to 300,000,000 guns, thats a whopping $50 per gun.

My gun has at times been "for hire", but will never be "for sale"...

 

[DuneHopper]

ODE to NWFA :

I am protected, for my life is protected; for I own a firearm.
My freedom, is protected for I am protected; for I own a firearm.
My speech, is protected, for I am protected; for I own a firearm.
Shall I never surrender, protecting these.


DH

 

[Mark W.]

By the time they got to this house with their hand out there wouldn't be a damn thing for them to carry off. I don't care if I could never use them again. THEY ARE MINE PERIOD.

 

[Flymph]

I would sell my rights at cost.

 

[Flymph]

Err...danger! Warning!

Throughout history it is shown to be VERY rare to have as stable of a government following a revolution as ours...

It wasn't very stable until after the war of 1812...

 

[alv7722]

The ultimate test of gun owners.

What would you do when they show up at your house.

Give them up so as to continuing living the life you live.

Start shooting.

Ask LaVoy Finicum how the second one went.

I hope I can make it to the party where gun owners unite and fight back.

Life would not be the same without some of my guns.. Many were handed down to me by my deceased Uncle. I was closer with him than with my parents. Losing the guns he gave me over the years would be like losing him again!! I could give up my AR-10, but not voluntarily.

 

[Member 34319]

Life would not be the same without some of my guns.. Many were handed down to me by my deceased Uncle. I was closer with him than with my parents. Losing the guns he gave me over the years would be like losing him again!! I could give up my AR-10, but not voluntarily.

I have a beautiful wife and child that would kill me first before I started shooting at the men at the door looking for my firearms.

I understand those who aren't like me and are stating that they will go out guns ablaze.

I respect your thoughts and at one time thought the same.

In Seattle as well as California, confiscation has begun. So far no one has gone out guns ablaze that I've seen or read on TV.

I feel it will happen soon or later.

I see it happening more regularly the closer we get to a government that is actually taking guns away for less and less of a reason.

 

[Colts4me]

I have a beautiful wife and child that would kill me first before I started shooting at the men at the door looking for my firearms.

I understand those who aren't like me and are stating that they will go out guns ablaze.

I respect your thoughts and at one time thought the same.

In Seattle as well as California, confiscation has begun. So far no one has gone out guns ablaze that I've seen or read on TV.

I feel it will happen soon or later.

I see it happening more regularly the closer we get to a government that is actually taking guns away for less and less of a reason.

We are all different to a point I guess. How we see what we are giving up is probably the biggest difference. Some just see it as giving up the one kind of gun and then you can move on with your life and they will leave you alone. There ain't a chance in hades that the gun grabbers will ever leave you alone especially once they take one style of gun from you, the militia rifle that protects the constitution.

You love your wife and kid but what future do you have when people take your right to self protection? Who would defend your kids if you die in a car accident? Maslow says that the most important part of building a life you want is security, when people take your ability to be secure in your home and every place you walk in the world then you have lost your freedom.

As an old man I realize how important a firearm has been in my life to keep my family secure and give myself the ability to move through life safely. When you give that up the republic is done and others will run your life and your families lives and those kids no longer have a choice because fear will rule their lives.

If Oregonians decide I cant' have the best tools for my protection they have taken from me my constitutional right. I will just move out of Oregon, I won't kill folks when I can live in another state that still believes in freedom. I have the money to move but a lot of folks don't and their neighbors are stealing hard earned property from them by voting for 43. I really dont' want to live around people so stupid to vote their rights away so there is really only one choice. I won't sell my rights away to the democrats', I can live around better people.

 

[Geardo]

We are all different to a point I guess. How we see what we are giving up is probably the biggest difference. Some just see it as giving up the one kind of gun and then you can move on with your life and they will leave you alone. There ain't a chance in hades that the gun grabbers will ever leave you alone especially once they take one style of gun from you, the militia rifle that protects the constitution.

You love your wife and kid but what future do you have when people take your right to self protection? Who would defend your kids if you die in a car accident? Maslow says that the most important part of building a life you want is security, when people take your ability to be secure in your home and every place you walk in the world then you have lost your freedom.

As an old man I realize how important a firearm has been in my life to keep my family secure and give myself the ability to move through life safely. When you give that up the republic is done and others will run your life and your families lives and those kids no longer have a choice because fear will rule their lives.

If Oregonians decide I cant' have the best tools for my protection they have taken from me my constitutional right. I will just move out of Oregon, I won't kill folks when I can live in another state that still believes in freedom. I have the money to move but a lot of folks don't and their neighbors are stealing hard earned property from them by voting for 43. I really dont' want to live around people so stupid to vote their rights away so there is really only one choice. I won't sell my rights away to the democrats', I can live around better people.

I already moved once over this BS. Can't run forever.