Hawaii: Your 2A rights don’t apply here

[RVTECH]

No bubblegum, sherlock.

Back off there pal, my name ain't Sherlock and I understand the history of it as well....

 

[Nosferatu]

Back off there pal, my name ain't Sherlock and I understand the history of it as well....

Good for you, buddy boy.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Hawaiians have never embraced being part of the US.

Money, and at the time a relatively strong anti-Japanese sentiment, considering Japan was the one who bombed them although now.. from what I read, there's an even stronger portion of the population that are Japanese or of Japanese descent?

Edit. They could have done the Puerto Rico thing and kept on being a "Territory" without any State obligations but they apparently didn't at the time?

 

[quneur]

Hawai'i has been a Japanese democratic stronghold since it was a territory. The Japanese were brought over to work in the pineapple and sugarcane fields (along with the Chinese, Portuguese, Koreans, etc.) After their work contracts were up, the Japanese went into politics and education. It will take something pretty drastic to break the Japanese machine.

Search 'James Blount Report' if interested in Hawai'i history (Wikipedia is biased, IMO) but it comes down to which party was in power at the time.

BTW, if the Kingdom of Hawai'i did have gun rights, the takeover would never had happened.

 

[The Heretic]

Hawaiians have never embraced being part of the US.

Outside of wanting to have a Navy base there, I never fully understood why it was granted statehood.

If you look at the history of Hawaii, they were essentially invaded (by private interests), a coup performed and forced to be part of the USA.

 

[Provincial]

Since the Hawaiian Supreme Court is an official arm of the State government, it would seem that his is an act of insurrection.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Since the Hawaiian Supreme Court is an official arm of the State government, it would seem that his is an act of insurrection.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

Should Hawaii be instantly ejected from the USA, all federal funding halted, and permament free lease on military base implemented? Discuss...

 

[Paolung]

I'd settle for a royal SCOTUS smackdown of Hawaii's supremes at this point.

 

[GrayGoose]

I'd settle for a royal SCOTUS smackdown of Hawaii's supremes at this point.

And imprisonment for all those government officials, elected or not, who violated the citizen's Constitutional rights.

(Edit: imprisonment isn't exactly what I have in mind for them, but it will do at a minimum )

 

[Boboclown]

Hawaiians have never embraced being part of the US.

Outside of wanting to have a Navy base there, I never fully understood why it was granted statehood.

We mostly wanted Hawaii for the soil to grow some fruit (pineapple I think?), base came later.

 

[Cavedweller]

Outside of wanting to have a Navy base there, I never fully understood why it was granted statehood.

Similar to the political maneuvering that is going on today with respect to proposed DC and Puerto Rican statehood. The demorats drove it because they wanted 2 more reliable democratic votes in the Senate. The only reason the Republicans went along was if Alaska was also granted statehood to maintain the balance of power. It was a net wash as far as Senate votes went at the time.

 

[Cavedweller]

We mostly wanted Hawaii for the soil to grow some fruit (pineapple I think?), base came later.

We could have had the pineapple if Hawaii had remained a territory. Pineapple had nothing to do with statehood. Actually, pineapple was second fiddle to sugar in terms of economic value.

 

[Boboclown]

We could have had the pineapple if Hawaii had remained a territory. Pineapple had nothing to do with statehood. Actually, pineapple was second fiddle to sugar in terms of economic value.

Kinda, we got involved with messing with their monarchy because we wanted them to sell pineapple cheaper. Statehood came much later, but we originally got involved for that purpose.

 

[Cavedweller]

Kinda, we got involved with messing with their monarchy because we wanted them to sell pineapple cheaper. Statehood came much later, but we originally got involved for that purpose.

Yeah, that's true. But the question @Nosferatu asked was why statehood. We already had the territory and the pineapple. They could have remained a territory and we still would have had the pineapple. Statehood was about the Senate votes. The demorats were hoping to tip the balance of power in the Senate.

 

[DunRanull]

Good for you, buddy boy.

WTF happened to "Be excellent to each other"?

 

[Boboclown]

Yeah, that's true. But the question @Nosferatu asked was why statehood. We already had the territory and the pineapple. They could have remained a territory and we still would have had the pineapple. Statehood was about the Senate votes. The demorats were hoping to tip the balance of power in the Senate.

Not that they needed it, they just needed Californians to spread out.

 

[Diamondback]

Not that they needed it, they just needed Californians to spread out.

You mean metastasize like the human cancer they are.

 

[Cavedweller]

Not that they needed it, they just needed Californians to spread out.

You mean metastasize like the human cancer they are.

You're joking, of course. California wasn't like today at the time (1959). It was primarily an agricultural state, with some mining and energy production, as well as some defense industry as a result of the factories built in WW2. But it didn't become moonbat country until later when north-easterners discovered the great climate and began moving there en mass.

 

[Boboclown]

You're joking, of course. California wasn't like today at the time (1959). It was primarily an agricultural state, with some mining and energy production, as well as some defense industry as a result of the factories built in WW2. But it didn't become moonbat country until later when north-easterners discovered the great climate and began moving there en mass.

Of course. Just like how MT was mostly a lot of empty land but Californians ended up moving into MT as well (though its still mostly empty but the valley is different now), things just change over time and now we joke about it so we can try to be less mad about it.

Californians are moving to NC too, and I've met them in college and they really don't get that they're the reason California is so bad.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Of course. Just like how MT was mostly a lot of empty land but Californians ended up moving into MT as well (though its still mostly empty but the valley is different now), things just change over time and now we joke about it so we can try to be less mad about it.

Californians are moving to NC too, and I've met them in college and they really don't get that they're the reason California is so bad.

Should Californians be banned from moving anywhere except Hawaii? Discuss...