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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Just Jim, Sep 18, 2015.

  1. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    "GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump released a policy outline on Friday detailing his defense of the Second Amendment and firearms ownership.

    He also highlighted his possession of a concealed carry permit and firearms that he said were for personal defense.

    “The Second Amendment to our constitution is clear,” the Republican front-runner writes in the gun rights platform published online. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon — period.” It’s the second policy statement provided by Trump, a political newcomer who has dominated the GOP race over the last month but come under increased scrutiny for his policy knowledge.

    Trump appeared to confuse the Kurds with Quds, a special forces unit with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, in a recent interview. During Wednesday night’s debate, he acknowledged he needed to learn more about foreign policy, indicating he would do so by the time he was elected.

    The first policy platform he provided was on immigration last month.

    The new statement outlines a three-pronged defense of the Second Amendment during his potential presidency, arguing that America needs greater law enforcement against violent crime, mental healthcare reform and better protections for legal gun ownership going forward.

    Trump’s outline begins on the premise that President Obama has been soft on violent crime during his two terms in the Oval Office.

    “We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals,” he said. “The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal.”

    “Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control,” Trump said. “Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and then released. This needs to stop.”

    Self-reliance, the billionaire real estate magnate added, is a vital precaution should law enforcement have its resources stretched too thin.

    “Our personal protection is ultimately up to us,” Trump said. “It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.”

    Trump then charged that the recent spate of mass shootings is the result of America’s failing mental healthcare infrastructure.

    “Too many politicians have ignored this problem for far too long,” he said. “We can’t allow that to continue.”

    “We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help,” Trump added. “But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities.”

    Trump additionally charged he opposes gun and ammunition restrictions and would allow military personnel to carry weapons on bases.

    “Gun and magazine bans are a total failure,” the outspoken billionaire said. “That’s been proven every time it’s been tried.”

    “To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves,” he added.

    Friday’s policy reveal follows the reality TV star's cancellation of a major campaign appearance in Greenville, S.C., on Friday morning. He's also currently under fire for refusing to correct two supporters’ claims that Obama is a Muslim foreigner during an event in Rochester, N.H., the night before."
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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  3. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    Seems to be consistent with the US Constitution; anything he would change in regards to the state's grip on our liberties would definately end up at the SCOTUS, which doesn't seem to fully regard the written law as the final word.

    Halting and or reversing the unconstrained visions of the American Left will be difficult, but I do believe he can do it, or at least get us on a better azimuth.

    Any time a candidate claims to support an defend the US Constitution, they become viable IMO.
     
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  4. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    not bad for a new yorker. sounds way better than many texans we've had in the WH
     
  5. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    When you put your stand in writing it can be used to hold you accountable. Writting isn't like Bush saying he was a pro gun NRA member then turning to kick us all in the teeth, Writting is your given word and woe be it if you don't stand up to it.

    I am going to vote for Trump, I am really tired of the same old politicians.
     
  6. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    you and a whole lot of others
     
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  7. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Then people should remember what he wrote down in 2000 on page 120 of his book. I'd be happy with either Ben Carson or Donald Trump. Definitely not Fiorina, actions speak louder than words and what she did with HP is a no-go.
     
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  8. rltrim46ford

    rltrim46ford lebanon Well-Known Member

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    I will vote for the republican nominee no matter who. We have 3 candidates that are not career politicians. One of them needs to be the nominee. One thing to watch for but we can do nothing about is democlap sabatouers working to get the least electable candidate to be the republican nominee. We had a couple of good candidates the last two elections but they wouldn't run a hard ball campaign. Again, nuttin we here in Oregon can do about it.
     
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  9. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Careful with that, never the best idea to vote solely based on party. Better than not voting, but still not the best idea.
     
  10. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler wa Well-Known Member

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    Not there quite yet, but certainly tracking that direction. Waiting to hear what Fiorina's position is on 2AR. She, like Trump, is not a lawyer nor a career politician... two stars right out of the gate!
     
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  11. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Boboclown,

    If you're not going to vote solely on party, what are you going to do?

    You only have two choices Democrap or Republican. Voting for a 3rd party would only weaken any possible majority vote. You may as well not vote at all. Don't let ego stand in the way of good judgement. :cool:
     
  12. Martini_Up

    Martini_Up NW USA Well-Known Member

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    half agree.

    i think it's better to not vote if you find nothing to vote for... or waste everyones time and write in a vote for Jesus Christ.
     
  13. U201491

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    Just my opinion, but we would not be wise to put a woman in the Whitehouse as long as we are fighting Islamics. Billery just emboldened them and created total defiance.
    We need a hard azz conservative there that has to be able to put socialist compassions aside at times.
    We need someone that has zero Communist, Marxist, socialist or Islamic sympathies in them to bring this country back on track. It IS that far gone right now.
    We need a 100% pro Constitution Candidate and President and vice President.
    Anything less and this nation will fall.
    .
     
  14. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm voting for Trump if he is up for election but not because he is a Republican.

    I figure he will get r done and turn things around or it will be everyones favorite 4 letter word SHTF - it's a win win for me.
     
  15. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I'm not voting for a Republican, I'm just saying it isn't always a good thing to vote solely on party. Keep in mind that NC wasn't always a Republican state. Heck, when I moved down here it was a democrat state, yet the gun laws were relaxed. Oh, but wait, that's impossible so I must be lying. ;) Don't be one of those guys who look at "oh he's Republican, therefore he must be good" because not all Republicans are good. I don't care for Chris Christie, and he's a Republican.
     
  16. Kruejl

    Kruejl Hillsboro Moderator of the Coriolis effect Staff Member Gold Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Trump says it how it is. He doesn't sugar coat or try to find something good from something bad. I like that. I will vote for him. If he doesn't make it, Fiornia is a close second.
     
  17. capdek

    capdek Oregon Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    If you want to risk having your AR-15 banned then vote for Trump. He has consistently supported a ban on so-called 'assault weapons'. All you need to do is do a quick Google search to find out. In particular, check out www.ontheissues.com. Here is a direct quote from him in 2000:

    "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record."
    Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.102 , Jul 2, 2000

    So, back in 2000, he clearly wanted to ban so-called 'assault weapons' and had no problem with a 72 hour waiting period to purchase a firearm.

    Now check his current website to see if he has changed his mind on these specific topics or if he doesn't address them specifically. If he doesn't address them specifically, it's a pretty safe bet he hasn't changed his mind on them.

    Personally, I can't believe some gun owners are falling for this big talking charlatan. And Carson has also been very ambiguous on gun rights - especially again on the so-called 'assault weapons' issue. If you want a true 2A supporter in the White House, look for the candidate that has a proven track record over the long term. I know that would likely mean voting for a 'career politician' and I can certainly understand how unpalatable that might be to many. If you do insist on a political neophyte, at least look for someone who comes out clearly and unambiguously as a true supporter of all 2A rights. From the little I've seen after scratching the surface a bit, I'd pick Fiorina over Trump and Carson. And from the list of 'experienced' candidates, there's little doubt about Paul and Cruz - they are 100% on all 2A issues. Just my opinion FWIW.
     
  18. Oregonhunter5

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    I would never put a female in that office.
     
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  19. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Yup, I tell this to my friend all the time, and he denies the existence of the book. I might need to get a copy myself just to prove it. Ben Carson said he didn't think people in cities should own a semi-auto, but he changed his stance on that. At least he never supported an assault weapons ban.

    To be honest, I have yet to hear Trump say anything about automatics. Whether that means Carson would want to get rid of the ban in 1986 and make automatics legal again (as in not having to buy a pre-ban), or just continuing to allow people to buy pre-bans who knows.

    So if it was between Trump and Carson, Carson. Fiorina? Meh, if no other options sure. Though if Paul was up there in the numbers I'd support him.

    But it isn't like anyone actually does some research on the candidates they want to support. Hell, some people just pick up their little ballot guide and vote solely based on that. Google is a good thing to use, people need to do some research.
     
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  20. Oregonhunter5

    Oregonhunter5 2C IDAHO Well-Known Member

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    Get your black guns while you can.
     
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