The US Army, as lead agency, is looking at new service Pistol

[Pandaz3]

That seems to be the MO for this project.

 

[Pandaz3]

I had missed this article which said there were three candidates standing, but that seems old news and more are currently being looked at. The big news in that article to me was the caliber, 10X22 or as we know it .40 S&W.

 

[No_Regerts]

I had missed this article which said there were three candidates standing, but that seems old news and more are currently being looked at. The big news in that article to me was the caliber, 10X22 or as we know it .40 S&W.

If this is the case, they should have just gone Glock 22 and called it good.

 

[Pandaz3]

I am not a fan of the 22, it was/is a nine millimeter adapted to take a much stronger round. S&W designed their M&P for a 40 and then adapted that down to a Nine, that seems better to me. My son was a G-22 Lover and when his department parted ways with Sig and gave everyone choices they could have the G-22 was not among them so he went to a G-17. Now several years later they have approved the G-22, but he already has a G-17 and staying with it. I have a Walther PPX in 40 as my only 40 pistol, its DAO with a so so trigger. I'd like a better 40 and as much as I shoot a G-22 would work for me.

 

[2Wheels4Ever]

The M9 is a fine gun; the amount of money wasted on this pursuit is asinine when compared to how little sidearms are used. I love the military, but spending time and money on something like this is a purely political agenda and will not serve the troops well.

 

[Ura-Ki]

What they really SHOULD do is stop letting politicians make any noise about what the Military chooses to buy, and for personal gain because a manufacture is in their districts or has a favor in for a healthy kickback on a contract! STUPID to let any outsiders have any say in what the U.S. Mil chooses to arm our Solders with! I say Quit F-ing around, Call up Colt and order a bunch of M1911 Double Stack .45's and be done with it for the next 100 years!!!!

 

[U8395279]

I am not a fan of the 22, it was/is a nine millimeter adapted to take a much stronger round. S&W designed their M&P for a 40 and then adapted that down to a Nine, that seems better to me. My son was a G-22 Lover and when his department parted ways with Sig and gave everyone choices they could have the G-22 was not among them so he went to a G-17. Now several years later they have approved the G-22, but he already has a G-17 and staying with it. I have a Walther PPX in 40 as my only 40 pistol, its DAO with a so so trigger. I'd like a better 40 and as much as I shoot a G-22 would work for me.

The S&W M&P is definitely out of the competition. The Army wants a modular design gun for easy maintenance.

I would give the Sig P320 the definite inside edge to get this contract. The Sig P320 is truly modular. And HK does not have the adequate manufacturing capability here in the USA that Sig has.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/09/27/whos-left-smith-wesson-running-armys-next-pistol/

 

[Pandaz3]

Who knows the way these people drag things out, roll around, and make a decision by not making a decision. Nothing seems pinned down. I would be happy if they just made a choice.
Two and a half years is enough time.

 

[mkwerx]

They could ditch sidearms alltogether, and look at replacing the aging Stoner designed rifle with something better, even if that better is an updated version of the stoner design, or adopt two rifles - one for standard infantry, and another SBR/PDW for rear echelons, tanker crews, mortarmen, etc. Keep one standard caliber, and one magazine standard - if it's 5.56mm so be it. But get a really compact SBR for the guys who need a gun in tight quarters, and one not as small for the guys who need to be able to reach out and touch someone. The weight of the sidearm and ammo for it could be replaced by say, 2 or 3 extra rifle mags, an extra IFAK, candy bars, porno mags, or whatever else a soldier may need in the field other than a pistol.

 

[spookshack]

"Porno mags" FTW!

 

[Goosebrown]

Toss a coin. Sign the contract. Important is that it is a .40 not a 9. Get 'er done and tell the press and politicians and the burocrats to bubblegum themselves

 

[DirectDrive]

Toss a coin. Sign the contract. Important is that it is a .40 not a 9. Get 'er done and tell the press and politicians and the burocrats to bubblegum themselves

Millions of 9mm rounds already in the system so it will probably be a 9mm.
Sig P320 is currently in the lead.

 

[HuckleberryFun]

So, the Army as the lead agency gets to tell the Marines, et al, to "Follow Me!" I'm kinda enjoying this...

Pistols are pretty much useless on the battlefield (unless you really REALLY need one) so all this is important symbolically.
"The purpose of a pistol is to use it to fight your way back to get your rifle which you never should have put down..."
We could go back to the old 1911s and we'd be fine, or stick with the M9 and that's ok too. Developing a better rifle is more important, IMHO.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Has anyone who has a say in this fight , talked to the guys who might have to use said pistol?
You know like in combat , in the worst of conditions.
Maybe asked what they want and need?

The GI's who are stuck with the decisions that folks make , who have never been there or don't have to go there , take the consequences of those decisions.
Sometimes with fatal results.
Andy

 

[DieselScout]

Has anyone who has a say in this fight , talked to the guys who might have to use said pistol?
You know like in combat , in the worst of conditions.
Maybe asked what they want and need?

The GI's who are stuck with the decisions that folks make , who have never been there or don't have to go there , take the consequences of those decisions.
Sometimes with fatal results.
Andy

I really doubt anyone here can answer this as no one here is involved with the purchase.

 

[Andy54Hawken]

I really doubt anyone here can answer this as no one here is involved with the purchase.

Yeah I know that.
Just wondering out loud that if the folks who do have a say have done that...
Andy

 

[HuckleberryFun]

Yeah I know that.
Just wondering out loud that if the folks who do have a say have done that...
Andy

What? Ask the Grunts? That would be Un-American!
You Commie!

 

[Pandaz3]

Millions of 9mm rounds already in the system so it will probably be a 9mm.
Sig P320 is currently in the lead.

The Army could care less about how much 9MM Nato they have. They will just get NATO to add a "40 Nato" round and order up I just wonder if the standard will be 155 or 180 grain. (9 MM Nato is 124) Don't worry the Sig 320 is available in 40 with 14 rounds in full size.

Andy these are well tested by folks with actual experience in the field, the trouble is most did not really use the handgun and the Army in particular has poor to none handgun training, even though the Army is the lead Agency they normally have others who use the handguns more (Navy and Coast Guard along with the Marines) maybe a token few but there is input from users.

There is a book written by a lady called "Grunt" well it is really about R&D and procurement, lots of trivia. Boring as it talks about methodical testing, interesting as it talks about shooting turkeys at aircraft canopies, rebuilding man parts, oh yeah I liked those gruesome details. I read about a chapter a week to get my courage back up to finish the book.
I was aware of a lot of the testing from some Army jobs I held, but not as much as I am now. Still shivering.

 

[mkwerx]

If they let the USCG, or Navy pick the pistol - I'm sure they would've settled upon a new gun long, long ago. And it would likely have been the Sig 320, or even the 250. And in .40S&W or whatever the metric name would be - 10xXXmm.

Maybe they should just end the process and piggy back on the FBI contract for the generation 5 Glock 17's Glock may let 'em trade those old M9's in for a good price, and put out package deals for the gun, 3 mags per, and a drop leg holster for the M9's plus a few hundred bucks per unit

After a rash of officers and idiots shoot themselves through poor handling - the decision to ditch pistols in favor of a better rifle may be sped up, after only wasting say, half a billion dollars of tax payer money. A real bargain for us - the taxpayers.

 

[Medic!]

I really doubt anyone here can answer this as no one here is involved with the purchase.

Ya........ That's a tough one.

''Hey Sarg.......... I don't much like this M-16. So I'm gona be carrying my FN FAL OK?
And this M-9 doesn't fit my hand right. So I'll also be packing a Glock 23.
Any problem with that?''

''Go ahead Pvt. Snowflake.
And just let us know if there is anything else we can do to accommodate you.
Buy the way. How's the chow?''