Tea Party organizers say "No guns!"

[longcolt]

Error. The TP is good for forcing rhinos out of conservative politics. A third party divides our votes and allow the marxists more power in Washington.



Wrong again! If we weren't effective, if we were disorganized, the left wouldn't be so freaked out about us!



Batting 1000! No one who endorses the Constitution is anarchistic. You need to begin to understand the founding of this country, the wrongs suffered and the establishment of a constitutional government whose purpose was to overthrow tyrants! You calling patriots anarchists doesn't make it so, and here we are, trying to oppose tyranny again, and you are trying to prop up the tyrants.



Who owns the media? Who owned the media in the 18th century? We prevailed then and we will prevail again.

100% right on the money. The anarchists calling the Tea Party folks anarchists is pure Saul Alinsky tactics.

 

[Stomper]

I have found that those who are most adept at ACCUSING someone of being a particular "this or that", it's BECAUSE they are flippin' exerts at doing that very thing they condemn others of doing...

 

[yubariver]

So pay his bills for him but don't ask me or anyone else to. You want universal healthcare move to england, or australia or canada where socialist healthcare there is a failing miserable mess. Everyone has issues, everyone has problems but our government, especially the federal government is not set up, was never intended to hold everyone's hand. I for one want nothing to do with there universal health care and if I did not have the work ethic I do, I'd be tempted to join the 46% of Americans who pay no income tax, get food stamps, collect welfare, live in government housing and spend the rest of my life living off uncle sam.
And by can't work you mean he has to have someone feed and cloth him? If a man can dress himself and if he can raise a fork to his mouth, if he can get in and out of bed he is not too invalided to work. True maybe he can't do the work he is capable of doing but surely he can type and or move a mouse? Or turn the pages of a book to review printed material or do research. Or maybe pick up a book and start studying for a job he can do, maybe even go to the library and try to learn something? Yeah, I know he can't. None of us are perfect, all of us are handicapped to some degree but it is how we overcome our handicaps that make us better than the someone else. Look at that genius who has the crippling disease, lives in a wheelchair, has to use some weird electronic gizmo to communicate. Is your friend that bad off? No, I didn't think so but Stephen Hawkins is still working despite his crippling pain and handicaps. LOL! And you know what's funny, Hawkins is a british subject who comes to AMERICA for his health care. The best healthcare on the planet and you want to erode it so it's like Britons, or frances or any of those other American hating cesspools. My advice, move to one of those socialist/communist/marxist countries and take your buddy with you.

Now that's compassion.

And why are you complaining about lower taxes?

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WHO ranks of National Health Care
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

 

[zeezee]

Now that's compassion.

And why are you complaining about lower taxes?

----

WHO ranks of National Health Care
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Hmm, who, are they not the same group that has all up in arms over first the bird flu and recently the pig flu and are not most of their leaders from countries other than America who have a very strong dislike for America? I suspect anything I read in any foreign publication. Or maybe we are not socialist enough for them?

 

[watcher]

To everyone claiming that the present administration is acting outside the Constitution I ask you to provide facts.

There is useful little section in the Constitution that instructs how to get rid of a bad President (among others).

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Why have I not seen the Republican Party, the various right wing power groups, even the TParty itself making a serious move on impeachment. The answer is because they have no evidence to support their claims.

The accusations against Obama and his party are started by people who have no real evidence to back up their claims but who know that any rumor they start will be seized on by the mindless and repeated ad vomitum.

In previous posts I asked for facts to prove people's claims. In 223 posts not one true fact that would stand up in an impeachment hearing has been provided by the posters.

 

[zeezee]

To everyone claiming that the present administration is acting outside the Constitution I ask you to provide facts.

There is useful little section in the Constitution that instructs how to get rid of a bad President (among others).



Why have I not seen the Republican Party, the various right wing power groups, even the TParty itself making a serious move on impeachment. The answer is because they have no evidence to support their claims.

The accusations against Obama and his party are started by people who have no real evidence to back up their claims but who know that any rumor they start will be seized on by the mindless and repeated ad vomitum.

In previous posts I asked for facts to prove people's claims. In 223 posts not one true fact that would stand up in an impeachment hearing has been provided by the posters.

Because the vice president is a bigger dope, the country would go to he** in a handbasket twice as quickly.

 

[watcher]

So, because the VP is a "bigger dope" you would rather start a civil war than impeach the President.

The name for this thinking is stupidity.

You attack others for not following your lead on the Constitution yet you are willing to ignore the Constitution, and the provisions wisely included therein by the founding fathers you claim to admire, just because the "because the VP is a bigger dope".

The name for this thinking is hypocrisy.

I take it that you are so afraid of Joe Biden that if you remove that master of all evil, Barrack Obama, you are not sure you can handle him?

Please excuse me for pointing out that you have still not provided any facts to support your Constitutional criticism of Obama. Without facts you have no case, you are just blowing hot air.

 

[PDXGS]

silly tea baggers

 

[zeezee]

So, because the VP is a "bigger dope" you would rather start a civil war than impeach the President.

The name for this thinking is stupidity.

You attack others for not following your lead on the Constitution yet you are willing to ignore the Constitution, and the provisions wisely included therein by the founding fathers you claim to admire, just because the "because the VP is a bigger dope".

The name for this thinking is hypocrisy.

I take it that you are so afraid of Joe Biden that if you remove that master of all evil, Barrack Obama, you are not sure you can handle him?

Please excuse me for pointing out that you have still not provided any facts to support your Constitutional criticism of Obama. Without facts you have no case, you are just blowing hot air.

Civil war? What you talking about willis? We are going to vote you liberal cry babies out of office. Our civil war will be via the voting booth, that is unless the liberal left and the corrupt government forbid the American people, and all those illegal immigrants, from voting. As I said in an earlier post, only a fool wants war and as much as I hear you talking about it, makes me wonder if it's you and your kind that want to wage war against the peace loving TEA Parties? Yeah, I'd expect that of draft dodging, pot smoking liberal hippies. Heck, 48% of all Americans pay no income tax, bet you and your friend fall into this category expecting the other 52% to support your laziness with free health care, free housing, welfare checks, free cars, free . . . Everything!!!! While you sit around and smoke your dope.

 

[watcher]

Boy, you really have flipped.

For the record I have never taken any illegal drug in my life.
I was in the Air Force while the hippies were doing their thing so that takes care of both draft dodging and being a hippy in one shot.
In my job I have on occasions probably paid at least twice as much tax in a year as you have.
I own my own business.
I get company health care.
I own three homes, two are rentals.
I own four cars, including two collectors being restored. My wife, of course, has her own car.

Guess what, I still have time to feel sorry for people less fortunate than me and I do not object one little bit towards helping to support their health care. The sooner this country has universal health care the better.

And yes, several of the posters in this thread have made more or less open threats that they see violence as a way of changing the political system. As far as I can see the main-stream of the TParty does not support this view.

By the way, how about providing some verifiable facts to support the numbers you quote for none tax payers?

Without facts you have no case, you are just blowing hot air.

 

[Stomper]

I own three homes, two are rentals.

So... why would you rent two homes from yourself that you already own?

 

[watcher]

Stomper.
Thanks for pointing out the poor English, you will note that I never said I had a degree in composition.

I have never been very good at words, I tend to be too direct. I knew I was not going too high in the Air Force when one of my fitness reports said "high marks for initiative, nil for tact".

 

[Stomper]

LMAO... its all about needed levity, brother! I was merely playing with words...


BTW- we must have had the same evaluator... he ever moonlight for the Army, too?

 

[Partsproduction]

To everyone claiming that the present administration is acting outside the Constitution I ask you to provide facts.

It is a fact that this president and democrat congress passed a health care bill that forces Americans to buy a product they don't want. That one alone is sufficient. Show where the Constitution endorses that.

The sooner this country has universal health care the better.

Since there is nothing in the Constitution about that, why not go whole hog? How about the government pay for my food, housing, transportation and entertainment?

Guess what, I still have time to feel sorry for people less fortunate than me

So send them a check! Who's stopping you?

several of the posters in this thread have made more or less open threats that they see violence as a way of changing the political system.

You hate violence so badly you would live as a slave to avoid it, no, you defend slavery! Have you found the quotes from the founding fathers yet who said exactly when the people should turn in their arms? Have you found the quotes that say we should never resort to violence to preserve liberty? well?
The members you speak of, they are really the ghosts of the founding fathers, and you know it. As one studies the matter of the second amendment one begins to understand why it was included. Why do you think it was included?

Here are some quotes for you to dispute Watcher

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ---Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would."
--- John Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Justice Story was appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811. In 1833 he wrote, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States"

Are you paying attention Watcher?

"The (Second) amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation."

Thomas Cooley

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Tench Coxe

"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

Noah Webster

Hello Watcher!

The importance of this article (2nd Amendment) will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.......The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

William Rawle

These are the opinions you are railing against Watcher, not mine. Have you seen me write "Let us overthrow the government"? Have you seen where I said to shoot the impostor? No, you have not. Shooting the impostor would be the worst that could happen.
What you have seen in my writings is the reminder that the people are the power behind government, and that it is not the other way around.

 

[Partsproduction]

PDXGS said;

silly tea baggers

When I first heard of this insult slang term I had to look it up. News outlets couldn't explain it because it's a term that belongs in pornographic slang amongst people who practice vile and despicable lives of perversion.

But you knew what it meant, didn't you PDXGS? That's because that's where your mind works. Disgusting!

 

[zeezee]

It is a fact that this president and democrat congress passed a health care bill that forces Americans to buy a product they don't want. That one alone is sufficient. Show where the Constitution endorses that.



Since there is nothing in the Constitution about that, why not go whole hog? How about the government pay for my food, housing, transportation and entertainment?



So send them a check! Who's stopping you?



You hate violence so badly you would live as a slave to avoid it, no, you defend slavery! Have you found the quotes from the founding fathers yet who said exactly when the people should turn in their arms? Have you found the quotes that say we should never resort to violence to preserve liberty? well?
The members you speak of, they are really the ghosts of the founding fathers, and you know it. As one studies the matter of the second amendment one begins to understand why it was included. Why do you think it was included?

Here are some quotes for you to dispute Watcher

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ---Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would."
--- John Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Justice Story was appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811. In 1833 he wrote, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States"

Are you paying attention Watcher?

"The (Second) amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation."

Thomas Cooley

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Tench Coxe

"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

Noah Webster

Hello Watcher!

The importance of this article (2nd Amendment) will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.......The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

William Rawle

These are the opinions you are railing against Watcher, not mine. Have you seen me write "Let us overthrow the government"? Have you seen where I said to shoot the impostor? No, you have not. Shooting the impostor would be the worst that could happen.
What you have seen in my writings is the reminder that the people are the power behind government, and that it is not the other way around.

I stand in awe! Great research, great post. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Doubletap]

That's about the clearest win of an argument that I've ever seen..

 

[Stomper]

It is a fact that this president and democrat congress passed a health care bill that forces Americans to buy a product they don't want. That one alone is sufficient. Show where the Constitution endorses that.



Since there is nothing in the Constitution about that, why not go whole hog? How about the government pay for my food, housing, transportation and entertainment?



So send them a check! Who's stopping you?



You hate violence so badly you would live as a slave to avoid it, no, you defend slavery! Have you found the quotes from the founding fathers yet who said exactly when the people should turn in their arms? Have you found the quotes that say we should never resort to violence to preserve liberty? well?
The members you speak of, they are really the ghosts of the founding fathers, and you know it. As one studies the matter of the second amendment one begins to understand why it was included. Why do you think it was included?

Here are some quotes for you to dispute Watcher

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ---Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would."
--- John Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Justice Story was appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811. In 1833 he wrote, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States"

Are you paying attention Watcher?

"The (Second) amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation."

Thomas Cooley

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Tench Coxe

"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

Noah Webster

Hello Watcher!

The importance of this article (2nd Amendment) will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.......The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

William Rawle

These are the opinions you are railing against Watcher, not mine. Have you seen me write "Let us overthrow the government"? Have you seen where I said to shoot the impostor? No, you have not. Shooting the impostor would be the worst that could happen.
What you have seen in my writings is the reminder that the people are the power behind government, and that it is not the other way around.

PARTSPRODUCTION FOR THE WIN!!! :buttrock:




OMG... after reading all those quotes I have a "Chris Mathews style" tingle running up my leg and back down the other one...


OK, folks there's nothing left here to see, please move along so the bodies of the UTTERLY vanquished and their efluvia may be mopped up and poured down the industrial sized floor drain... this section will be open for business again come this November!!

 

[zeezee]

As I said before, only fools wants civil war. Our "war" will be in the voting booth. Killing anyone for political gain is beyond stupid, it just makes a martyr out of him as his side grows stronger. My two cents, term limits for ALL CONGRESSIONAL representatives. Two terms of three years never to be elected to either house again. Our Constitution was set in place by common everyday working men, let those cut of the same cloth regain their seats and rid ourselves of career politicians. Notice I didn't say democrat or republican or . . . Any other political party? Power needs to be returned to the people and removed from the federal government. I stand by the X Amendment; The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, OR TO THE PEOPLE. OR TO THE PEOPLE. When I read those words I understand the Constitution to identify three entities; The federal government, the state government and THE PEOPLE. What happened to our voice, what happened to our say in how this country is to be run? I'll tell you, the people WE elected have made the decision that THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR US! Let us vote in men and women who have OUR interest at heart and let us throw the rest of them OUT!


Watcher, I believe our government has overstepped it's boundaries, done so by many past administrations (no not just by presidents) and these actions need to be corrected. I believe in conservative principals, I believe the TEA Party also shares these conservative principals and come November I hope they vote in conservative politicians. I will be looking at every politician in my state for these conservative values and will vote.

 

[yubariver]

It is a fact that this president and democrat congress passed a health care bill that forces Americans to buy a product they don't want. That one alone is sufficient. Show where the Constitution endorses that.

They already have done that for years with Soc. Security,Medicare. It would be under the "General Welfare"

Since there is nothing in the Constitution about that, why not go whole hog? How about the government pay for my food, housing, transportation and entertainment?

Everything has limits. Does the 2nd amendment allow for individual ownership of WMD's?

So send them a check! Who's stopping you?

Sounds like he does.



You hate violence so badly you would live as a slave to avoid it, no, you defend slavery! Have you found the quotes from the founding fathers yet who said exactly when the people should turn in their arms? Have you found the quotes that say we should never resort to violence to preserve liberty? well?
The members you speak of, they are really the ghosts of the founding fathers, and you know it. As one studies the matter of the second amendment one begins to understand why it was included. Why do you think it was included?

Here are some quotes for you to dispute Watcher

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ---Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

"Resistance to sudden violence, for the preservation not only of my person, my limbs, and life, but of my property, is an indisputable right of nature which I have never surrendered to the public by the compact of society, and which perhaps, I could not surrender if I would."
--- John Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
Justice Story was appointed to the Supreme Court as an Associate Justice by James Madison in 1811. In 1833 he wrote, "Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States"

Are you paying attention Watcher?

"The (Second) amendment, like most other provisions in the Constitution, has a history. It was adopted with some modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688, where it stood as a protest against arbitrary action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the people, and as a pledge of the new rulers that this tyrannical action should cease. The right declared was meant to be a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and as a necessary and efficient means of regaining rights when temporarily overturned by usurpation."

Thomas Cooley

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."

Tench Coxe

"Before a standing army can rule the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States."

Noah Webster

Hello Watcher!

The importance of this article (2nd Amendment) will scarcely be doubted by any persons, who have duly reflected upon the subject. The militia is the natural defence of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers.......The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."

William Rawle

These are the opinions you are railing against Watcher, not mine. Have you seen me write "Let us overthrow the government"? Have you seen where I said to shoot the impostor? No, you have not. Shooting the impostor would be the worst that could happen.
What you have seen in my writings is the reminder that the people are the power behind government, and that it is not the other way around.

These are good quotes, but I fail to see how they say treasonous talk is
acceptable when the Republic is still functioning.