Sounds like they've got Alec Baldwin testing their stuff.
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Still like the Sig 320? 20 Federal agents, police, private citizens file lawsuit
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No, it's not making the news "again," this is the same old story.
In any event, at least WAPO acknowledges that during extensive testing by a butt-ton of forensic teams, technicians, firearms examiners and experts that no one has been able to replicate the P320 firing while in the holster; it seems it functions exactly as intended -- only firing while the trigger is pulled (either by a finger or something else).
My thoughts exactly.
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Already under discussion in another thread.
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...e-private-citizens-file-lawsuit.445719/page-6
See post #115.
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/t...e-private-citizens-file-lawsuit.445719/page-6
See post #115.
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FIFY...
Actually, it's in this very same thread. It's just one page back, about 12 posts ago...
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Whoops, meant to post this in the thread that was started yesterday...FIFY...
Actually, it's in this very same thread. It's just one page back, about 12 posts ago...
Wait, unless a mod combined the threads? Can't find that thread...
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Ian just put put a video on it. Have not watched it yet. Edit: actually looks like this is more about kabooms. ?
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Interesting take on this.
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Never had an issue with mine.
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It may be interesting for those that have been swayed by the negative press flying around these days.
Ian is just speaking the truth.
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I'm in a "discussion" with an expert witness on another site.
He's working for the plaintiffs (LEO's I believe) and of course he's trying to show that P320 goes off all by itself.
Another officer who has shown to be non-aligned and level-headed made a great post today.
This officer is an armorer and a dept RO.
His summary on this subject is excellent and his final comments are telling.
We can "what if" this topic all day long, but IMO and from experience, the majority of theses issues with the 320 and it supposedly firing on it's own, is a training and awareness issue.
Again referencing back to the majority of these reports coming from LE and not civilians. LE handle their duty weapons far more often than the average civilian. The average civilian is typically more conscientious about firearms handling. and here is why.
Most officers are lackadaisical in firearms handling because it is just another one of our tools. Basic safety rituals are forgotten or not followed as closely as they should because we are so used to handling firearms. There isn't a single time on the range that I don't have to correct multiple officers handling of their weapons, safety wise.
Because most every officers has a firearm at work, the law of averages takes over. Take 100 police officers and 100 civilians. 100 of the officers are carrying pistol while only 15 to 20 of those civilians may be carrying. It's math, there is a far greater chance of something happening with those 100 officers vs the 20 civilians.
Top that with the fact those 20 civilians are more aware and cautious about the firearms their carrying. Maybe 20 or 30 officers are that cautious, but the other 70 or 80 maybe treat their duty weapon like they would their radio or flashlight.
That's a recipe for something bad to happen no matter what pistol they may be carrying. Those bad things do happen and most of the time, the public doesn't hear about it. The previous 320 drop fire issues just adds fuel, and an excuse to those incidents where the person doesn't want to take responsibility. I have personally witnessed three ND incidents by officers in my 30 years. All three were with different pistols, A glock, a 1911, and a Sig P220. Two of those officers are no longer officers and the third took a heavy hit over it.
An ND is one of the worst thing that can happen to an officer, quite often resulting in termination. So add that to this equation and you can see how some of these people in the suit could be just trying to save themselves rather than just doing the right thing.
He's working for the plaintiffs (LEO's I believe) and of course he's trying to show that P320 goes off all by itself.
Another officer who has shown to be non-aligned and level-headed made a great post today.
This officer is an armorer and a dept RO.
His summary on this subject is excellent and his final comments are telling.
We can "what if" this topic all day long, but IMO and from experience, the majority of theses issues with the 320 and it supposedly firing on it's own, is a training and awareness issue.
Again referencing back to the majority of these reports coming from LE and not civilians. LE handle their duty weapons far more often than the average civilian. The average civilian is typically more conscientious about firearms handling. and here is why.
Most officers are lackadaisical in firearms handling because it is just another one of our tools. Basic safety rituals are forgotten or not followed as closely as they should because we are so used to handling firearms. There isn't a single time on the range that I don't have to correct multiple officers handling of their weapons, safety wise.
Because most every officers has a firearm at work, the law of averages takes over. Take 100 police officers and 100 civilians. 100 of the officers are carrying pistol while only 15 to 20 of those civilians may be carrying. It's math, there is a far greater chance of something happening with those 100 officers vs the 20 civilians.
Top that with the fact those 20 civilians are more aware and cautious about the firearms their carrying. Maybe 20 or 30 officers are that cautious, but the other 70 or 80 maybe treat their duty weapon like they would their radio or flashlight.
That's a recipe for something bad to happen no matter what pistol they may be carrying. Those bad things do happen and most of the time, the public doesn't hear about it. The previous 320 drop fire issues just adds fuel, and an excuse to those incidents where the person doesn't want to take responsibility. I have personally witnessed three ND incidents by officers in my 30 years. All three were with different pistols, A glock, a 1911, and a Sig P220. Two of those officers are no longer officers and the third took a heavy hit over it.
An ND is one of the worst thing that can happen to an officer, quite often resulting in termination. So add that to this equation and you can see how some of these people in the suit could be just trying to save themselves rather than just doing the right thing.
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Neither with mine. Can't understand all the fuss and hate...Never had an issue with mine.
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I stumbled across this thread recently, about a post-fix P320 that went off.
What I got from it is that this post-fix P320 still had a design flaw in the new parts, that is currently fixed in newer revisions. The commenter notes that he trusts his own P320s built in 2022, and that the P320 in question was a pre-2019 one (after the 2017 fix, not as new as 2022).
What I got from it is that this post-fix P320 still had a design flaw in the new parts, that is currently fixed in newer revisions. The commenter notes that he trusts his own P320s built in 2022, and that the P320 in question was a pre-2019 one (after the 2017 fix, not as new as 2022).
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The striker block change came with the upgrade package and was done for ease of assembly not for a safety defect.
The sear springs each travel in their own channels.
That testimony is hear-say boolscheet in my opinion.
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I'm gonna steal that spelling and the attendant pronunciation. Just so I know, do you say it with a deep, Eastern European accent...?
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There are pictures of the sear and spring channels which are different than current production ones, on the forum post linked though, curious if you saw that.
I think the posters agree with you that the striker block change was done for ease of assembly since it was a pain to get that spring in there.
New 2 July 2020 SIG P320 Lawsuit and P320 Concerns - Page 12
On July 2nd, a suit against SIG regarding the P320 was filed in Federal District Court, in New Hampshire: https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/unionleader.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/05/f05682b2-2361-573f-8c21-005cb88abc0f/5f03a0863c886.pdf.pdf The suit is very...
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I don't have a dog in this fight, so I have no issue with it being bs if you so decide!
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There was a change to the sear and sear housing as part of the upgrade.
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