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To each his own.
If I'm going out to 300+, I'm reaching for a scoped .270 or .308 bolt rifle.
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To each his own.
LOLNow I wanna go shoot my AK, with my AR. I bet at 50 yards I could put a 5.56 round down the 7.62 bore of an AK?
I actually feel challenged now to find out for myself what an AK can do for accuracy. All things being equal this will have to be an iron sight only experiment since I don't want to buy optics for the AK as I like the simplicity of them (I dont think the AK was really ever 'meant' to have an optic... )
here is the last target sample I played with after adjusting the sight and then plinking around in a prone position freehand at 100yds until I homed in on a nice 3 rounds in a row on the bullseye. Those 3 rds held steady could be luck but I wonder what it will do in a led sled from a bench....
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I'll muddy the waters a bit. I have built 2 Ar 7.62x39 uppers and they both will shoot moa with wolf military classic hp ammo. I am sure some or most of the cheap steel cased ammo is not capable of that kind of accuracy but at least the lot of the wolf I have is. I am sure there are some ak's that are quite accurate as well but it is not really the intent of the platform to have that level of accuracy. They are meant to go bang every time you pull the trigger and be minute of man out to the effective range of the cartridge. The AK does that in spades.
You are correct sir. This is my experience with accuracy of the AK.A consistently accurate AK at 300 yards is beyond any experienced persons belief.
All that being said, my basic understanding is that the AR is likely to be more accurate because of the fit and finish of the weapon vs. the average AK which is made sloppy enough to drop in the aforementioned mud puddle and keep on firing without doing a field strip.
I did kind of giggle when an ex-mil friend of mine sneered at my AK as being "Un-American".... strange.... I didn't realize that guns voted or participated in any kind of politics.
I think you are confusing the German 7.92x33 Kurz round with the Russian 7.62x39,though similar looking they are very different. As far as I know 7.92x33 has only ever been chambered in late WWII German weapons like the MP44 and Volkssturmgewehr.I thought about (what I used to know) about AK's and Russian guns in general last night. From my old grey memory, the actual bore dimensions on the rifled varied greatly. There was a huge conversation if you should even shoot common American dimension 7.62 bullets in the larger Russian 7.92 specification. Then guys started slugging barrels and found a huge variance even within the same manufacturer and model rifles. It was even the case with M91 rifles. I don't know what dimension modern ammo is made to, but that is a pretty big variance.
No......you do know that the bullet diameter specified for the 7.62X39 is .312 inches........not .308.....but the bigger problem is the inconsistency of Russian barrel manufacturing. Some were measured tight and some very loose.I think you are confusing the German 7.92x33 Kurz round with the Russian 7.62x39,though similar looking they are very different. As far as I know 7.92x33 has only ever been chambered in late WWII German weapons like the MP44 and Volkssturmgewehr.
On the other hand, the PSL is based on the RPK and shoots the 7.62x54R round, its a DMR. There's also the Tabuk Sniper rifle used by the Iraqis. Its chambered in 7.62x39, and is essentially a semiauto RPK with a thinner barrel.The vast majority of Infantry small arms combat occurs within 300 meters which the AK is perfectly suited. Of course there are "field problems" of longer engament distances, but that's what DMR's are for so the rest of the unit can close in for engagement.
Class dimissed.
I have a POSP on mine. No issues with it. Its simple, rugged, cheap, and has surprisingly good glass.hmmm. I think an AK can do better with quality ammo. Im not certain if its appropriate to include an optic though because its my opinion that AK's were never intended to mount an optic... (at least every single attempt Ive seen is very, flexible... shall we say). I think with open sights on both rifles, quality ammo, both should land within 2-3 MOA. Cheap ammo.. see my target photo above.