Socialist Rifle Association...

[Colts4me]

Well I am back so lets' talk guns. I like guns and read about them and study their history so I know how to,get the most out of a gun when I go to the range. Ya'l want to talk guns?

 

[Boboclown]

Well I am back so lets' talk guns. I like guns and read about them and study their history so I know how to,get the most out of a gun when I go to the range. Ya'l want to talk guns?

This is a socialist rifle thread, need more AK talk.

 

[Colts4me]

Thats good let's talk commie guns vs capitalist guns.

 

[Boboclown]

AK is simpler and easier to teach people how to use. Even the cleaning kit is really all you need (you can use it to zero your rifle too! ). The AR is also somewhat simple, but more accurate (though this only comes into play with precision builds, AKs are more accurate than people give them credit for).

But to dispel one certain myth, no AKs were not designed to be made cheaply. It is actually expensive to make an AK, combloc companies that import them have the benefit of already having the machines and cheap labor. And making them in mass. Hell, their barrels are cold hammer forged and that's not alone is expensive.

 

[Colts4me]

Heck I thought I run everyone off, can't be bad breath so what do you supposed happened?

 

[Oswald]

Someone caught bobo peeing down the barrel to clean his ak and decided they'd seen enough

 

[Boboclown]

Nah, cleaning down the barrel of the rifle became outdated once the Russians switched to AK 47s and AKMs. With the chrome lined barrel, there was no need.

 

[Colts4me]

Well since nobody else wants to start, who all owns a gun here?

 

[Oswald]

Not me, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident

 

[Colts4me]

Not me, I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident

Lesson learned, stay out of socialist canoes they are unsafe. I say that because you would never own a capitalist canoe would you?

What year was the SKS invented?

 

[Boboclown]

Lesson learned, stay out of socialist canoes they are unsafe. I say that because you would never own a capitalist canoe would you?

What year was the SKS invented?

1944, but was replaced by the AK shortly after. Around the time the AK came about is when they started getting chrome lined barrels (except the Yugoslavian ones who never had chrome lined barrels).

 

[Colts4me]

1944, but was replaced by the AK shortly after. Around the time the AK came about is when they started getting chrome lined barrels (except the Yugoslavian ones who never had chrome lined barrels).

What is the type of warfare the commies fight, a war of attrition or a war of tactics. The value of this is to understand the way they designed the weapons. A personal defence weapon.

 

[Boboclown]

What is the type of warfare the commies fight, a war of attrition or a war of tactics. The value of this is to understand the way they designed the weapons. A personal defence weapon.

Both, but it depends on the situation. Keep in mind the Germans were the first to realize the importance of firepower, the Russians learned that as well but the Germans were the first to have a select fire assault rifle. The U.S realized it in Vietnam.

The problem is the U.S thought the idea applied everywhere. But that's another discussion for another time.

 

[Colts4me]

Both, but it depends on the situation. Keep in mind the Germans were the first to realize the importance of firepower, the Russians learned that as well but the Germans were the first to have a select fire assault rifle. The U.S realized it in Vietnam.

The problem is the U.S thought the idea applied everywhere. But that's another discussion for another time.

The commies have allways fought wars of attrition, they don't value their troops and they are seen as just tools. Human life isnt' worth much to them or they wouldnt do mass attacks like they did in Finnland where they lost thousands going against Finnish troops armed with Mosin copies and Soumi subguns. Russians lost 167,000 men to kill 25,000 Fins.

To understand the way the commies wage war will really make a man understand their weapons in my opinion.

 

[SUPER X]

there was already a discussion on their reddit about how lead is harmful to the environment, but non-lead bullets are intended to price the poor out of shooting/resistance.... what to do?

MAYBE they shoot blanks

 

[Boboclown]

The commies have allways fought wars of attrition, they don't value their troops and they are seen as just tools. Human life isnt' worth much to them or they wouldnt do mass attacks like they did in Finnland where they lost thousands going against Finnish troops armed with Mosin copies and Soumi subguns. Russians lost 167,000 men to kill 25,000 Fins.

To understand the way the commies wage war will really make a man understand their weapons in my opinion.

Tactics change. The days of attritions are over for the Russkies, while their soldiers are willing to call an airstrike on their own location just to take down the enemy (as a last resort mind you), its clear that just tossing bodies into a fire doesn't work.

The Russians learn. When they tried to use an old tactic of evacuating a town and burning it, then realized that didn't work, they stopped doing it. Typically how military tactics will evolve.

 

[Colts4me]

Tactics change. The days of attritions are over for the Russkies, while their soldiers are willing to call an airstrike on their own location just to take down the enemy (as a last resort mind you), its clear that just tossing bodies into a fire doesn't work.

The Russians learn. When they tried to use an old tactic of evacuating a town and burning it, then realized that didn't work, they stopped doing it. Typically how military tactics will evolve.

They are slow learners because the system keeps them dumb. The German socialist were smart in ways but still they didn't learn quick enough. They did come up with the blitzkrieg as a tactical war but depended way too much on their machineguns. It took about 100 men to keep the machineuns in a fight because their rates of fire were way too fast. America beat the Germans in battle simply because of the tactics used with the M1 Garand overwhelmed them.

When the MP 44 came out it was too late but if you look carefully the Russians copied the MP 44 a great deal to make the AK 47 and made their own grand in the SKS.

 

[Boboclown]

They are slow learners because the system keeps them dumb. The German socialist were smart in ways but still they didn't learn quick enough. They did come up with the blitzkrieg as a tactical war but depended way too much on their machineguns. It took about 100 men to keep the machineuns in a fight because their rates of fire were way too fast. America beat the Germans in battle simply because of the tactics used with the M1 Garand overwhelmed them.

When the MP 44 came out it was too late but if you look carefully the Russians copied the MP 44 a great deal to make the AK 47 and made their own grand in the SKS.

The system keeps the average people dumb. As far as military tactics go, that's not gonna work. The worst idea you can think of is to keep your military dumb when it comes to military tactics. Again, there's a reason they were quick to adopt the AK in Russia. Keep in mind, its select fire for a reason. Hell, if it wasn't for the U.S being too stubborn, we likely would have had an assault rifle chambered in an intermediate cartridge sooner. There's a reason the M14 did not have a long military service as a standard issue rifle. Am I saying the M14 was bad? Not at all, I consider it a good rifle. Just that they switched over to the M16 for firepower, which worked better with their logistics. Ironically, the FAL (which like the M14s were kept semiautomatic) worked better for the Australians in Vietnam, simply because an assault rifle would not have worked for them due to their logistics being not good.

Now as for the M1 Garand overwhelming them? Yes, but it had nothing to do with the machine guns. In fact, the opposite. The Germans had more K98s (5 round bolt action rifle) than they did machine guns and the STG 44. As for the Germans overall? Their logistics sucked, it really did. It was not the efficient war machine they though they were at the time.

 

[Oswald]

The commies have allways fought wars of attrition, they don't value their troops and they are seen as just tools.

At the height of the cold war our government sent a bunch of Marines out to a random location in the desert and without disclosing to these men what they were there for they dentonated a nuclear weapon intentionally within range to dose them with a dangerous amount of radiation to study the effects. Many of the men died from their injuries. This sort of "humans as tools" mentality isn't exclusive to ideologies. Unfortunately every nation has used this to some effect.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Nazis aren't socialists. They operate an extreme meritocracy which is completely antithetical to the ideas of literally any former Communist country or classical socialist thinker. Not to mention several economic differences. Hitler specifically used the term socialist to help ride a wave of populism that was brewing in the country at the time but they were socialists in name only. Again for the thousandth time I don't care to talk about this here. I thought we were finally moving on, even learned something new about AKs and now we're back here.

Umm, try again. The Nazi party literally was the national socialist party. The terms and focus on nationalism and such items as nationalizing healthcare, transportation and numerous industries was socialist. The price and wage controls were distinctly socialist, so, yeah, the national socialists were socialists. A slightly different flavor of socialism, but still socialism.

And I know why you don't want to talk about it. It is because this ideology is drenched in the blood of the innocent. And again, without that or numerous armies committing atrocities and murdering citizens throughout the third world, very conservative estimates leave a total of at least 80 million dead. You can't whitewash that.

If you want to understand the hostility to communism and socialism, you need to realize that some of us are not forgetting the bones of those murdered by your ideology.