Socialist Rifle Association...

[Colts4me]

It' a gun board and no better way to compare the ideology you promote than to run through the guns and tactics. Again you cant' have it both ways. You put up a socialist NRA but don't want to talk about your agenda as socialist. I don't blame you because it's such an ugly history still being played out today. Enjoy this place, it was brought to you by the very capitalism you hate.

Polite as I can be, tell us why you just don't move to a country that follows your form of government? You can move, there are plenty of countries that are trying your socialism. No really, why do you think America must adopt socialism?

 

[Raidingtime]

doesn't really matter what they bubblegum about.... same point.

It was interesting to learn about. Thank you for sharing.

For the record, I voted for Jill Stein and voted Bernie before he got swindled out of the election. While most people on this site are the typical Christian, conservative, Republican, macho type not all of us are.

Heck I'm a state employed social worker in my 20s raising a young daughter whom I get paid child support for. Still interested in constitutional rights? You betcha.

 

[turbo_vanner]

please quote me where I said I was a member of the SRA or socialist, or even thought America should adopt socialism. Otherwise, don't put words in my mouth.

Again, the point of this thread was to let you all know what you might run into out there, and to prepare yourself, however concerned it may make you.

 

[mrblond]

Holy bubblegun, this thread is still going?

I say it now becomes a AK thread, lets see those AKs!!!


and never mind the little dog hairs

 

[Wombat of Doom]

and you all wonder why antifa gets its panties in a wad when a bunch of white guys start chanting "blood and soil" while waving torches in the air?

If you want to understand the hostility to neo-nazis, you need to realize that some of us are not forgetting the bones of those murdered by their ideology.

Which are relatively rare compared to yours.

There are very occasional murders in the US based on white supremacy. (Or black supremacy, or brown supremacy) Murder is mundane under communism, an ideology which has killed far more than any other. It is awfully hypocritical to support the worse offender to oppose another offender.

I have literally fought a member of AN to protect a kid who was non-white. (The guy was trying to put out his eyes.) I won. I despise neonazis, and have opposed them to their faces. I am what the American right actually is. People like me are opposed to murder, period, whether it is race or ideology based. I support the 1a as much as the second.

And I actually like commie guns, though I like my Russian Capitalist AK best. Irony is, I have a pretty good collection of commie guns.

 

[turbo_vanner]

Which are relatively rare compared to yours.

There are very occasional murders in the US based on white supremacy. (Or black supremacy, or brown supremacy) Murder is mundane under communism, an ideology which has killed far more than any other. It is awfully hypocritical to support the worse offender to oppose another offender.

I have literally fought a member of AN to protect a kid who was non-white. (The guy was trying to put out his eyes.) I won. I despise neonazis, and have opposed them to their faces. I am what the American right actually is. People like me are opposed to murder, period, whether it is race or ideology based. I support the 1a as much as the second.

And I actually like commie guns, though I like my Russian Capitalist AK best. Irony is, I have a pretty good collection of commie guns.

thats all good, I'm not socialist, nor was I touting it as something america needs. Just poking fun at how many points of view people can look at this from. For instance, I would assume everyone associated with the SRA and NWFA would agree 100% with your statement "People like me are opposed to murder, period, whether it is race or ideology based. I support the 1a as much as the second." Even though you, me, us and them may have wildly different views on other issues.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

thats all good, I'm not socialist, nor was I touting it as something america needs. Just poking fun at how many points of view people can look at this from. For instance, I would assume everyone associated with the SRA and NWFA would agree 100% with your statement "People like me are opposed to murder, period, whether it is race or ideology based. I support the 1a as much as the second." Even though you, me, us and them may have wildly different views on other issues.

I support the right of neonazis to spout their nonsense. (How else will that crap be exposed as crap? Shutting them up makes it seem like they might have something worth shutting up and creates a mystique) I oppose anybody curbing anyone or punching anyone they dub a nazi. I am going to say, socialists, throughout history have not supported that statement. That is historical fact.

 

[turbo_vanner]

I support the right of neonazis to spout their nonsense. (How else will that crap be exposed as crap? Shutting them up makes it seem like they might have something worth shutting up and creates a mystique) I oppose anybody curbing anyone or punching anyone they dub a nazi. I am going to say, socialists, throughout history have not supported that statement. That is historical fact.

correct, and thats one place among others where I disagree with socialism, the censorship, the thought policing, and to an extent, the social justice wars here today. None of it makes a society a better place. If anything, like you said, the censorship creates a mystique.

 

[bbbass]

Ok, I've read the entire thread, and gone back to read the OP again... (I'm about to break the rules here) What I find difficult is the objection to talking politics when the OP was about politics, even tangentially, and the title of the tread being "Socialist Rifle Association" (see the rules about politics, I'm surprised a mod didn't change the title). If the intention was to warn us about what we might find out there, I think that is a strange thing. Seeing as how nobody has ever asked me about my ideology at a gun range, and I expect that I could shoot all day around the Portland chapter and never know that they are Socialists. So I'm having a hard time understanding the "real" reason it was brought up. Smells fishie to me.

The info in the link IMO is alarming. To think that there are gun groups out there that are aligned with Antifa. Having read some of the Antifa statements... those folks seem to be promulgating more violence than the white supremes.

Communism/Socialism... I have noticed that the younger generations have been indoctrinated in public schools with the ideas of "Social" this that and the other. It sound good to them, but is really just Socialism made pallateable. So nowadays we have all these anti-capitalists favoring socialism ala modern European style. Because capitalism is just not fair right? And BTW German socialism is not so great... their people are repressed, pay high taxes, and are very controlled. And British socialism has resulted in the breakdown of their healthcare system as well as being taken over by immigrants, and Scandinavian socialism has left them vulnerable to immigration jihad.

Failure to teach results in the mistakes of the past being repeated. History is no longer being taught. IMO young people believe that they are smarter and will not make the same mistakes that led Socialism to be abused. This IMO is a failure to take into account basic human nature. Take for example the story about a college class that had just taken a test. The instructor asks who believes in socialism. Almost all raise their hands. Then the professor says that all people with A's and B's shall have their grades reduced and all people with D's and F's shall have their grades increase accordingly, so that everybody gets a C. The A and B student shout that it's not fair since they worked hard and studied while the other students just loafed and watched TV. The professor said, "But you all said you believed in socialism and this is socialism in action".

I don't understand what democratic control of production would look like... I can understand state control ie government, but what is democratic control of production. Do we all get a vote on everything that's made and every service that is supplied? When does it then become from each according to his means to each according to his needs? For those of you that have brains of mush, Democracy is nothing more than mob rule. Our forefathers saw the dangers in that and created a Republic. It is not perfect, but so far it stands. Don't muck it up for my great-grandchildren.

So what if I'm an old fart... tut tut. I may also be a bubba since my camo hunting jacket has turned out to be my warmest winter coat and I wore it into the Walmart once or twice. Oh my, fashion fopaw!!

What is this bit about neo-nazis? Anyone that isn't an avowed social justice warrior is a neo-nazi?

Just a few thoughts. I hate long posts tho, even if they're mine.

 

[turbo_vanner]

ok, maybe I also posted this because the thought of a SRA was pretty funny and weird. I thought maybe some of you would get a kick out of it, some took it pretty seriously.

When I mention neo-nazis, I mean real swastika wearing, slogan chanting, actual neo-nazies. Not just someone who disagrees with whiny liberals or sjws. I disagree with whiny liberals and sjws

 

[slimmer13]

ok, maybe I also posted this because the thought of a SRA was pretty funny and weird. I thought maybe some of you would get a kick out of it, some took it pretty seriously.

When I mention neo-nazis, I mean real swastika wearing, slogan chanting, actual neo-nazies. Not just someone who disagrees with whiny liberals or sjws. I disagree with whiny liberals and sjws

Recent events have proven antifa worse than "real" swastika wearing, slogan chanting, neo nazis. Nazis have a first amendment right to spew nonsensical drivel. Antifa took it further, actually violently trying to suppress constitutionally protected rights by American citizens.

 

[turbo_vanner]

there's violence on both sides. Only one death so far, a liberal at an alt-right rally. There is no better or worse between the extremes.

 

[Hop Sing]

Crap, I just read this last page and things look so interesting now I have to go back to the beginning and take it all in!

 

[DB is Here]

It was interesting to learn about. Thank you for sharing.

For the record, I voted for Jill Stein and voted Bernie before he got swindled out of the election. While most people on this site are the typical Christian, conservative, Republican, macho type not all of us are.

Heck I'm a state employed social worker in my 20s raising a young daughter whom I get paid child support for. Still interested in constitutional rights? You betcha.

If you abide the Constitution, then we can be friends. Seems both Dems & R's want bigger Government...my 2 cents.

 

[Hop Sing]

Finally finished reading the whole thing. My takeaway is that it seems like most posters lump socialism into one basket, when in fact, it exists to varying degrees in every country.

 

[slimmer13]

Finally finished reading the whole thing. My takeaway is that it seems like most posters lump socialism into one basket, when in fact, it exists to varying degrees in every country.

Similar to cancer

 

[Hop Sing]

Similar to cancer

That's a great analogy - thanks!

 

[Boboclown]

What I find difficult is the objection to talking politics when the OP was about politics

Cause: AK AK AK AK AK. The one good thing to come from socialism.

 

[Hop Sing]

Cause: AK AK AK AK AK. The one good thing to come from socialism.

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Hey, don't forget the SAAB Sonett.

 

[CLT65]

Finally finished reading the whole thing. My takeaway is that it seems like most posters lump socialism into one basket, when in fact, it exists to varying degrees in every country.

Here I go posting again, against my better judgement.

You're right, "socialism" comes in many flavors, and most modern countries, including ours and even Communist China, are a mix to one degree or another of socialism and capitalism.

I don't think all socialism is necessarily bad. Probably the purest form of socialism is the family unit, and many tribal cultures have practiced basic socialism for centuries. The early Christians practiced socialism.

Personally I think socialism on a very much larger scale than that is simply incompatible with basic human nature. Several of the early American colonies practiced socialism, with poor results. Of course modern socialists always say their predecessors just didn't do it right, so maybe that's the problem.

I don't bow at the alter of capitalism either. As an economic system it has its faults, flaws, and ugly side. I do think however, that as flawed as it is it's still the best we have, and is far more compatible with human nature.

All that said, I don't think "soft socialism" it what we're talking about here. From the SRA web site, it's clear that they welcome some pretty radical (and sometimes violent) ideologies into the fold.

Again, if I saw a conservative group that welcomed hard right extremists into their Big Tent, I would avoid them like the plague; and that's exactly what I will do with the SRA.