Shot placement or power???

[bbbass]

I've carried my Para P14 .45ACP with 18+1 under a winter coat. But today my hands are like granny hands so I carry what I can stand to practice with... 9mm. Someday I'll be down to .22lr prolly. Then that nad shot will start to seem good.

Or maybe I sneak up on em and give em a wet Willie!

 

[Lennie]

Also something to consider is the person's will to live.
I have seen men in combat , stop fighting with what would be called "light wounds"...other men who have been struck and should have been dead...kept on fighting....

This is described as "surrender death". Cases exist where someone, with a less than fatal wound, would look at the wound and say, "I'm shot and would literally die after uttering these words". Many studies have undertaken regarding this and all of the studies, that I have read, indicate that we as humans have different levels of desire to survive.

 

[The Heretic]

What about shotplacement with a 500 magnum. Does it matter vs lets say... 9mm.

Lets say.... You have 1 shot. Center of mass. Choose 500mag or 9mm.

How much time do I have to aim? What am I aiming at and how far away is it? Have I been injured? Can I shoot with my strong arm or will it have to be my weak arm? Is there blood in my eyes? Have I had a head injury and can't see very well? How many targets do I have and are they armed and shooting at me? Do I have cover? Is the gun sighted in for me or someone else? Is it sighted in for the ammo I am shooting?

Yes placement matters - a lot!

 

[bbbass]

This is described as "surrender death". Cases exist where someone, with a less than fatal wound, would look at the wound and say, "I'm shot and would literally die after uttering these words". Many studies have undertaken regarding this and all of the studies, that I have read, indicate that we as humans have different levels of desire to survive.

I'm almost at zero today... don't wanna see what USA is like in a few more years!!!

 

[Tlock]

How much time do I have to aim? What am I aiming at and how far away is it? Have I been injured? Can I shoot with my strong arm or will it have to be my weak arm? Is there blood in my eyes? Have I had a head injury and can't see very well? How many targets do I have and are they armed and shooting at me? Do I have cover? Is the gun sighted in for me or someone else? Is it sighted in for the ammo I am shooting?

Yes placement matters - a lot!

I think individuals that have never been in a super stressful situation involving a firearm and protecting yourself just don't understand tell they have been there

 

[The Heretic]

 

[Tlock]

Now that took some that!! Made me laugh

 

[Member 53328]

What about shotplacement with a 500 magnum. Does it matter vs lets say... 9mm.

Lets say.... You have 1 shot. Center of mass. Choose 500mag or 9mm.

9mm.

 

[Tlock]

Now that took some that!! Made me laugh

Thought

 

[pharmseller]

I agree about the floor of lethality BUT I will insist that it's smaller than most people think, given proper placement.




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[STEELE]

Think PoP, then go POP!

 

[Knebel]

How much time do I have to aim? What am I aiming at and how far away is it? Have I been injured? Can I shoot with my strong arm or will it have to be my weak arm? Is there blood in my eyes? Have I had a head injury and can't see very well? How many targets do I have and are they armed and shooting at me? Do I have cover? Is the gun sighted in for me or someone else? Is it sighted in for the ammo I am shooting?

Yes placement matters - a lot!

You are chilling on the couch and have a 9mm and a 500mag infront of you. 10ft away from the frontdoor where someone busts in...

Id shoot the one 9mm first for placement and thrn grab the 500.

 

[3MTA3]

You are chilling on the couch and have a 9mm and a 500mag infront of you. 10ft away from the frontdoor where someone busts in...

Id shoot the one 9mm first for placement and thrn grab the 500.

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For me that scenario is even easier. I'd just tell the PitaRottaHusk to lay off once her new squeeky toy stops making noise then call 911 for a "cleanup on aisle 3".

 

[The Heretic]

You are chilling on the couch and have a 9mm and a 500mag infront of you. 10ft away from the frontdoor where someone busts in...

Id shoot the one 9mm first for placement and thrn grab the 500.

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I have a SIG Mk25 in 9mm handy and a 460V

I will grab the 9mm and extra mags/ammo and not even think about the 460V.

But I will grab the Shockwave before either one because it is loaded and waiting.

 

[po18guy]

Has anyone watched yankee marshals video about shot placement or power? If so how many out there disagree with him like myself?

The false argument of our age is "either...or" A .25ACP center mass may eventually kill a perpetrator. Certainly has in many cases. Do we have the luxury of time to wait for the threat to be neutralized? Therefore, "both...and" is more appropriate.
Just as the liquor world has R&R, the defense world has P&P - power and placement.
However, from most vids, placement is somewhere in the next county, so power does not matter.

 

[Lennie]

If you have never read this book, or the other two books by the same authors which followed this one, then please do so. The books detail in a graphic discussion the effectiveness of most handgun commercial loadings. The authors also discuss the amount of time a person can still fight on after receiving a fatal round in the kill zone. The authors did a tremendous amount of research into real life shootings. These books contain much of their research data and provide lots of very interesting information.
Here is a source for this book.

Amazon.com

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Free stopping power study by Ellifritz:

An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association

by Greg Ellifritz I've been interested in firearm stopping power for a very long time. I remember reading Handguns magazine back in the late 1980s when Evan Marshall was writing articles about his stopping power studies. When Marshall's first book came out in 1992, I ordered it immediately...

www.buckeyefirearms.org

 

[pharmseller]

Keep in mind, two rounds of .380 Auto killed 20 million people in the mid to late nineteen teens.




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[gsparesa]

Ok. Time to confess. And this was a great opener.
Once upon a time I shot a deer. Muley in Central Oregon. He dropped like a rock.
When we got on him, my buddy joked about a lousy - but lucky shot. Got him directly in the neck base...
He thought I was aiming for a lung shot.

I was aiming for the neck. Right where I shot him.
If I missed? - Either neck or air.

I'm over chasing stressed dear and hauling them back... And I've tasted the difference in a meat that never stressed...

So... glad that's off my chest.

I'm EHJ - and I aim for the neck.

And it makes more rib meat for the table. Neck shots are smart hunting In my opinion.

 

[bratt99_]

Has anyone watched yankee marshals video about shot placement or power? If so how many out there disagree with him like myself?

Blocked the dude on YouTube. He loves to hear himself talk and is the expert in all things and is never wrong. Says he's the first to acknowledge when he's wrong but refused to apologize after he accused a fellow tuber of stolen valor and then was proven wrong.