Shell Shot Count For Home Defense

[bbbass]

Meh, I have a .410 Judge pistol in my nightstand. Took my 9mm out an put that in. I use only PDX1 3" loads with copper discs in it. Made expressly for man-stoppage.

Then depending on circumstances, I can either grab my AR faux SBR, or meet my wife in the walk in closet call 911 and take my combat 18" 12ga off the holder. It is loaded with 8 12ga PDX1 segmented slugs, alternating with #000 buck. Next to that I have a bandolier of 12ga #00 buck and standard slugs. Holds maybe 30rds. Full disclosure, I really have the shotty in case I need to go outside or fight neighborhood defense in SHTF. It has a powerful flashlight, a reflex optic sighted at 100yds (with solid slugs), a laser sighted at 25yds, and a side saddle with 5 more loads.

We also have a 5 shot .410 Circuit Judge in the back office with sights that is loaded with PDX1 copper discs.

IDK if a winter pea coat can adversely affect penetration such that people often choose .45 or 10mm for winter use, what happens when birdshot is obstructed?

FWIW I met a guy that was an EMT in Detroit, and he'd been in and out of a lot of crackhouses - neighborhoods so bad the police wouldn't go into. He told me that birdshot maims people, but it does not kill them. He said he used to tell crackheads "what kind of ammo to use next time" so he didn't come out and try to save a mangled person's life. I guess it was pretty nasty.

^^^ This at the very least. Loss of stopping power?

 

[EPS]

Meh, I have a .410 Judge pistol in my nightstand. Took my 9mm out an put that in. I use only PDX1 3" loads with copper discs in it. Made expressly for man-stoppage.

Then depending on circumstances, I can either grab my AR faux SBR, or meet my wife in the walk in closet call 911 and take my combat 18" 12ga off the holder. It is loaded with 8 12ga PDX1 segmented slugs, alternating with #000 buck. Next to that I have a bandolier of 12ga #00 buck and standard slugs. Holds maybe 30rds. Full disclosure, I really have the shotty in case I need to go outside or fight neighborhood defense in SHTF. It has a powerful flashlight, a reflex optic sighted at 100yds (with solid slugs), a laser sighted at 25yds, and a side saddle with 5 more loads.

We also have a 5 shot .410 Circuit Judge in the back office with sights that is loaded with PDX1 copper discs.

IDK if a winter pea coat can adversely affect penetration such that people often choose .45 or 10mm for winter use, what happens when birdshot is obstructed?
^^^ This at the very least. Loss of stopping power?

Oh yeah I for got about the judge NICE

 

[ARS99654]

Someone makes a 4 pellet 00 buck?!?
Or are you using #8 for home defense? In that case, yes, go bigger. Absolutely go bigger. #8 will just make someone irate.

This is the most ignorant thing I've read all day.

 

[RMc]

Southerners truly understand the power of buckshot!

Here is an outstanding example of buckshot in action:

 

[RMc]

0000 buck shot is my preference

I suspect you mean Western #1 Buckshot. That was a highly popular 19th century buckshot size in 10 gauge shotguns of the muzzleloading and early cartridge era. This certainly makes sense, onsidering the popularity of the 1851 Colt Navy revolver and the fact that it too used the .380 lead ball.

"0000B" is a modern construct used by many who handload 10 gauge shells with hard cast .380" lead pellets. This size, while not the largest buckshot pellet size, is not currently loaded in any commercial shotshell ammunition.

By the way, 00B and Western #3 Buckshot are the same size. This is why WWI vets from the Western states often called military buckshot cartridges of the era "three buck" loads.

 

[bbbass]

This is the most ignorant thing I've read all day.

It's weird that you are unfamiliar with that type of comment. It's akin to my saying "Don't run from my wife, you'll just die tired". You wanna call that ignorant too?

 

[DirectDrive]

I've shot a lot of 00 Buck (the most common buckshot size), #4 Buck and almost every size of birdshot.
#4 Buck over water looks like a machine gun, over and over as the pattern bounces (a dangerous endeavor, BTW)
00 Buck in a HD situation would readily pass through walls.
Birdshot acts almost like a slug at close SD ranges, especially the smaller sizes like #8 because the shot column is so dense.
Hard for most folks to wrap their heads around birdshot as a HD load.

Those wounded gangbangers were most likely shot at ranges that were farther than SD ranges.
Birdshot is used in prison riot control because if you need to wing them, you can do that at 30-40'+
And if you need to stop them at around 10', you can do that too.

 

[Flopsweat]

This is the most ignorant thing I've read all day.

Then you're just not trying hard enough.

 

[RMc]

This all really depends on the gun if you just have a basic short barrel gun with no choke I would do like they said test it with buck shot and some low # 2 #4 you could even get some BB and BBB duck and goose loads if you have a gun with a choke system you could use almost anything .BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE DISTANCE YOU WILL BE SHOOTING .LOL in a house close quarters a 12gage loaded with salt rocks could be deadly

In the for what its worth department, loading a big smoothbore with Rock Salt would strictly be a handloading proposition. Indeed, the only propellant that would generate sufficient pressure to make such a lightweight payload work would be Black Powder. Not to mention the ill-advised idea of depending on such a load for self defense - in any situation!

 

[pharmseller]

That last Southern boy could shoot, but it sounded like the buck was running from the first guy who missed it four times and the second guy who missed it twice.




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[DirectDrive]

That last Southern boy could shoot, but it sounded like the buck was running from the first guy who missed it four times and the second guy who missed it twice.




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That's some good SEC shootin'

 

[RMc]

That last Southern boy could shoot, but it sounded like the buck was running from the first guy who missed it four times and the second guy who missed it twice.
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That is a possibility, however it is not uncommon on dog hunts for more than one deer to be taken during a drive

 

[Norwestr55]

I don't know what all this discussion is about. Its simple.
But if I had to say, I guess I'd be firing 00 buck into the air.

 

[pharmseller]

That is a possibility, however it is not uncommon on dog hunts for more than one deer to be taken during a drive

Maybe the first four shots, but I'd bet the beer money the next two were misses on that buck.



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[RMc]

I don't know what all this discussion is about. Its simple.
But if I had to say, I guess I'd be firing 00 buck into the air.

Or you could just fire 18 00B with one pull of the trigger - like this:

FWD to 0:50

 

[dwaineshort]

A good liberal would also stomp his/her feet in indignation also. Crossing your arms completes the look.

This liberal uses 30 mag with my Tavor.

 

[RMc]

000 is .36"

Yes .36" is the nominal SAAMI standard for 000B.
However, I have yet to measure a factory loaded 000B pellet larger than .35"

 

[Pops1911]

I prefer 12ga 00 buck or 12ga slugs. Only thing I ever kilt with the 00 buck was a feral rooster messing with my domestic hens. Got it on the wing too. One shot one rooster!

 

[EPS]

I don't know what all this discussion is about. Its simple.
But if I had to say, I guess I'd be firing 00 buck into the air.
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[revjen45]

Fusil de boudoir: (1) 3" mag #000 + (7) 2.75" #00 S&B with 12 per shot.
MSR de boudoir: 30 rds 7.62x39mm
I live in a semi rural area so I'm not worried about the apartment next door.