Guy accidentally shot girlfriend in the shower

[orygun]

No insult to anyone...

Not taken as it was.

 

[WillametteWill]

I know 'dry firing' is all the rage, but not for me...ever.

How many 'dry firing' has resulted in uh-oh or call an ambulance?

Dry firing with some sort of 'gadget', that's not an actual gun, sure, but with real guns...not for me.

Qualifications needed:
Not saying or implying your thoughts are wrong in any way, and you should do what works for you. And you have completely valid points as to some, improperly conducted dry fire training has resulted in damaged televisions, hotel rooms, and body parts.

I think "dry practice training" can be incredibly valuable for building skills in areas such as mag changes, malfunction clearances, and holster draws, to name a few. Trigger pulls are optional, but we must still do this practice in a completely safe manner. Some might benefit from mixing this with "dry fire training." For example, I practice holster draw with dry practice/fire in different ways, including: drawing and shooting, drawing and aiming in, finger on the trigger, drawing to a low ready with no finger on the trigger as examples. I personally believe that always drawing and shooting while training can create a less-than-desirable training scar. I can practice this at home where I hear a click instead of 23 cents. (And I also practice these live fire.)

I also use a gadget (SIRT laser trainer that mimics my M&Ps). Each have their place in my training. I'm throwing this out more generally, not directed at the post I quoted, but it does have relevant points to consider.

 

[danielinfrang]

We gonna niggle over "accidental" vs. "negligent"? Cause this seems negligent to me. Guy was lazy, complacent or just plain ignorant. Hard to tell which. As just one point of speculation, I wonder if he was trained on a gun with a Cali compliant magazine disconnect, then upgraded to a model that did not have one. That law has gotten more than one person killed already.

Either way this is a real tragedy, and my heart goes out to all involved, even the idiot who had the ND. He now has to live with that mistake for the rest of his life.

Not too many confirmed "accidental" discharges … I'm grateful for the Marine doctrine classifying any unintentional discharge as a negligent discharge.

 

[lucusloc]

Not too many confirmed "accidental" discharges … I'm grateful for the Marine doctrine classifying any unintentional discharge as a negligent discharge.

Yep, in all my decades of shooting I have had only one genuine accidental discharge when a firing pin stuck as the bolt closed. But since I was obeying all the other safety rules the only thing that happened is the round went into the dirt in front of the target.

This is one of the first things I want answered when talking about an "accidental" discharge; did the gun function as intended, or was it a genuine malfunction. If it functioned as intended that means the trigger was pulled, and that makes it negligent. If the gun had a genuine malfunction then it was a genuine accident (ignoring issues of negligent maintenance for now). Guns do not usually break in such a way that they discharge, but it can happen on rare occasion.

Most of these "accidental" discharges are the result of negligence in some form or other though. It is a good default assumption.

 

[danielinfrang]

Yep, in all my decades of shooting I have had only one genuine accidental discharge when a firing pin stuck as the bolt closed. But since I was obeying all the other safety rules the only thing that happened is the round went into the dirt in front of the target.

This is one of the first things I want answered when talking about an "accidental" discharge; did the gun function as intended, or was it a genuine malfunction. If it functioned as intended that means the trigger was pulled, and that makes it negligent. If the gun had a genuine malfunction then it was a genuine accident (ignoring issues of negligent maintenance for now). Guns do not usually break in such a way that they discharge, but it can happen on rare occasion.

Most of these "accidental" discharges are the result of negligence in some form or other though. It is a good default assumption.

Absolutely. I had a primer anvil get under my trigger on a range at Leatherneck… gun went full auto while on semi. I wasn't being negligent. We all inspected it and wrote it off as a statistical accident. Couple weeks later we found out the hard way that it was a portent for a bad batch mk262: Every m4 went down in the middle of an ambush. Good thing we rolled deep with the belt feds and fed em m855.

"Accidental" is a high bar. "Accidentally" pulling the trigger is negligence.

 

[Mikej]

If a person can not feel safe dry firing their firearm safely, I prepose that person may not be safe carrying a firearm at all?
Personally, I have this obsession of checking a gun every time I pick it up, or put it away.. Any gun to be sat on a table/firing position will be laid with slide or cylinder OPEN, with no mag or rounds in the gun.

 

[RVTECH]

Personally, I have this obsession of checking a gun every time I pick it up, or put it away.. Any gun to be sat on a table/firing position will be laid with slide or cylinder OPEN, with no mag or rounds in the gun.

I do essentially the same however a gun WILL sometimes have a loaded mag in it (such as my 'bed' gun) and if I pick it up and remove the mag I WILL admit to (SOMETIMES) a momentary 'lapse of reason' and start to set it back down but STOP and perform a proper check.

I do NOT always have 'one in the chamber' but that is beside the point and does NOT 'excuse' properly checking it.

I have occasionally left rounds in the cyl of a revolver but I am aware of it and it's usually on my reloading or 'gun bench' and even if I can SEE the rounds in the side it gets opened and properly cleared.

 

[bradsteen]

If a person can not feel safe dry firing their firearm safely, I prepose that person may not be safe carrying a firearm at all?
Personally, I have this obsession of checking a gun every time I pick it up, or put it away.. Any gun to be sat on a table/firing position will be laid with slide or cylinder OPEN, with no mag or rounds in the gun.

+1 - Chamber checks are free insurance.

 

[Mikej]

I do essentially the same however a gun WILL sometimes have a loaded mag in it (such as my 'bed' gun) and if I pick it up and remove the mag I WILL admit to (SOMETIMES) a momentary 'lapse of reason' and start to set it back down but STOP and perform a proper check.

Not counting that of course. I just stated what MY obsession is! I have a gun in the quick access safe that is loaded, one in the chamber and safety on. Hauling that out means I heard something that wasn't right!

 

[sculley]

When practicing dry firing, make sure there is no live ammo in the room.

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Unreal

 

[RVTECH]

Unreal

His excuse sure is......

 

[sculley]

His excuse sure is......

Exactly

 

[JayDeep]

I've always hated that statement. Follow the four basic safety rules and know the status of your weapon then it's a non-issue how much ammo is in the room.

This !!!

 

[Sxsnuf]

From the article:


"Dry firing is the act of pulling the trigger on an unloaded firearm to practice shooting without live rounds."

So, in no sense of the term was this moron "dry firing".

 

[Ballardguy]

Accidentally? I'd hardly call it an accident when someone fails to take proper safety precautions during any firearm handling.

 

[WillametteWill]

When practicing dry firing, make sure there is no live ammo in the room.

I've always hated that statement. Follow the four basic safety rules and know the status of your weapon then it's a non-issue how much ammo is in the room.

This !!!

The "no ammo in the room" concept just adds an extra layer. I knew the person at my old department who investigated AD/NDs, and he said everyone he looked into involved a distraction. As in, someone wrapping up their practice, loading the gun, getting distracted, and continuing with another shot that went bang instead of click. To each their own (and I hope you know I have big respect for you @titsonritz ); with newer shooters (and others), I try to have them separate the two.

That said...
I know everyone is just one oops moment from an accident or negligent happening....
So when foolin' around with guns...don't be a fool yourself.

Yup, I'm still very human, and as much as I try to be perfect, I still fall into the deep end every time I try to walk on water, lol. Here is an article Mas Ayoob wrote after experiencing an ND while teaching. (Mad respect for folks who make mistakes and share so others might learn.)

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Those little laser cartridges are great for dry fire practice. Ecms makes one that is true to point of impact due to better chamber fit.

Also you can use phone dryfire app to time your draw fire and also record your accuraccy.

Also shooters global timer will record dry fire and also 22 suppressed

Also for you basement or garage shooters, live fire 22 suppressed guns are available that math their bigger caliber counterparts. For example the grand power k22 has the same frame and trigger as the grand power k100 (outstanding gun).
K22 22lr

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K100 9mm

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[titsonritz]

(and I hope you know I have big respect for you @titsonritz ); with newer shooters (and others), I try to have them separate the two.

Mutual amigo. I'm sure much of my attitude on the matter comes from countless hours over the years of practicing my draw stroke and dry firing in single room dwellings without issue.

Yup, I'm still very human, and as much as I try to be perfect, I still fall into the deep end every time I try to walk on water, lol. Here is an article Mas Ayoob wrote after experiencing an ND while teaching. (Mad respect for folks who make mistakes and share so others might learn.)

I laugh because I just came here to post a video of the same gentleman of whom which I have on good authority that was not his only or even last ND. I'll just leave it there.