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I OC or CC depending on where I am, but don't worry about it at all either way. While OC I've never been hassled by anyone...of course, I live in Lewis County....
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True but it does not stop Jane Soccer mom from calling 911 to report "Man with a gun" which is unfortunately a common reaction to OC.
I OC most everywhere I go and have never had a problem with LEOs either. One of the places I frequently OC is a Starbucks in the Lakewood Towne Center where many LEO and Municipal Court Officers go for a break. I recall overhearing an MCO asking a LEO once after I walked in and was giving my drink order if I was doing something wrong. As I knew the LEO after getting my refill, I walked past that table and said hello to the one I knew, on my way out the side door to enjoy my coffee in the sun.. I saw the same MCO about a week later said hello, got a polite response and went about my business. Chalk up one more educated official.I open carry every place that is legal for me to do so here in Tacoma.
NEVER an issue. Only good responses. And I have been in close proximity of our local LEO's with out fear or being dragged to the ground and sent to the poky.
Dave
ORS 166.260 Persons not affected by ORS 166.250 This explains who is exempt from concealed carry laws in Oregon. The only CHL listed that exempts you in Oregon is an Oregon CHL. If you find anything to the contrary in ORS 166.260 please put it up on the forum. This is really not that hard; If the State of Oregon doesn not recognize another states' CHL then a County or City can not legaly do so either.No where in ORS 166.173 (2) (c) does it mention an out of state CHL. If you back track the ORS it spell out, rather slow and painful because it's Oregon, that you are only exempt with an Oregoin CHL. So it is a given that when the law mentions the exemption with a concealed carry permit, it is an OREGON CHL that they are speaking of. In Sate V Ward you are caught up in what the guy got in trouble for and not what the case law references as to the exemptions. Ward could have been carrying his loaded firearm on his hip openly and he would have still been arrested without an Oregon CHL. Much like NWCID would have been if he had ridden his motorcycle throught the wrong city. Again if you think I'm wrong take your WA CHL and OC through downtown Portland and let me know how it goes. Your from WA so I wouldn't expect you to understand how Oregon writes thier laws in a way that can be misleading. Seriously just google it if nothing else. There is a question at the bottom of the page from a WA resident about their WA CHL being recognized in ORegon. It's a NO! Oregon CCW Concealed Carry Hand Gun Legal Info
Everyone knows you cannot CC in OR without and OR CHL...THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!
What we ARE talking about is the ability of local governments to regulate LOADED OC. It is a misconception that persons with a licence to carry concealed that is not an OR CHL have to UNLOAD their OC in Portland, Beverton, Salem, Astoria...etc. That is not the case...the LAW states, you have a (any) license to carry a concealed weapon, you MAY OPEN CARRY loaded in these towns, even though they may have local restrictions on LOADED OC.
We are talking about OPEN CARRY local restrictions..NOT concealed carry...OK?
You guys are so hung up on CC you don't even think to read the LAW! You guys are just like the guys in NYS, they don't read the LAW.
Hermannr am I correct in understanding that if I have any CCW (WA in this case) that I can OC anywhere in OR including the restricted areas like Portland? If that is the case I did not know that, but good to know.
Hermannr am I correct in understanding that if I have any CCW (WA in this case) that I can OC anywhere in OR including the restricted areas like Portland? If that is the case I did not know that, but good to know.
Actually your CHL gives you the right to carry OC or CC in the restricted cities. You are correct that we are talking about OC in restricted cities. Then why would your CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSE give you the right to OPEN CARRY, since according to you they don't have anything to do with each other. That is because OREGON does not allow restrictions in those cities for OREGON CONCEALED HANDGUN LICENSe holders.
If you look at the Astoria codes it "valid permit" issued by a "lawful authority." Portland's code makes an exception for someone who is "licensed to carry a concealed handgun." Seeing that OR does not recognize WA permits why do you think that the individual cities, which have taken steps that infringe on your 2nd amendment rights, are going to see your WA permit as valid. OR has chosen to not recognize WA CHL and that is really the end of the story. Individual cities can't make their own rules and allow their police officers to honor out of state licenses.
At the end of the day do what you want but I would seek counsel before you put yourself in a position of losing all your gun rights.
If you look at the Astoria codes it "valid permit" issued by a "lawful authority." Portland's code makes an exception for someone who is "licensed to carry a concealed handgun." Seeing that OR does not recognize WA permits why do you think that the individual cities, which have taken steps that infringe on your 2nd amendment rights, are going to see your WA permit as valid. OR has chosen to not recognize WA CHL and that is really the end of the story. Individual cities can't make their own rules and allow their police officers to honor out of state licenses.
At the end of the day do what you want but I would seek counsel before you put yourself in a position of losing all your gun rights.
We are not talking about CONCEAL CARRY...we are talking about LOADED OC in a local governmental area that restricts unlicensed OC. It is not the same thing.
You guys in Oregon are just like the guys in NYS...they think they cannot OC because they do not have a code that specifically, in detail allows it.
Well, here you have specific detail...Is "Lawful authority" only the Oregon legislature...read you own law.
There is a reason Protland, Salem and Astoria have their ordinances written in the manner they are written...because that is what the state law says they can do, and that is all they can do.
You don't see Portland's ordinance saying "licensed per ORS 166.291 and ORS 166.292" do you? With Portland you better believe it would be there is they even thought tehy could get away with it..Don't you think????
No, it is written as someone "licensed to carry a concealed handgun" because that is all ORS 166.173 would allow them.
According to the state preemption law, ORS 166.170; Yes, the state legislature is the only lawful authority with the ability to regulate firearms in the state of Oregon.
1) Except as expressly authorized by state statute, the authority to regulate in any matter whatsoever the sale, acquisition, transfer, ownership, possession, storage, transportation or use of firearms or any element relating to firearms and components thereof, including ammunition, is vested solely in the Legislative Assembly.
The excemption is from § 166.173¹
Authority of city or county to regulate possession of loaded firearms in public places
(1) A city or county may adopt ordinances to regulate, restrict or prohibit the possession of loaded firearms in public places as defined in ORS 161.015 (General definitions).
(2) Ordinances adopted under subsection (1) of this section do not apply to or affect:
(c) A person licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
As the Oregon Legislature is the only authority on concealed carry of a handgun in Oregon your out of state permit is not considered a valid license per Oregon law.
That is correct. If you look at http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/oregon.pdf it clearly shows that Oregon does not accept anyother State Permit.
Some additional informaion can be found at OpenCarry.org - State Information For Oregon or at Concealed Carry Permit Information By State
Oregon does issue permits to Non-Residents, so if you have reason to be in Oregon frequently and desire to carry there, you can do so legally by obtaining an Oregon Non-Resident Carry License.
You guys ure do not know how to read do you?
For purposes of CONCEALED CARRY: Oregon does not recognize any other states license....and everywhere the state law mentions this it says: "is licensed under the provisions of ORS 166.291 and ORS 166.292."
For purposes of local government regulation of LOADED OPEN CARRY in ORS 166.173: There are two different exemptions.
ORS 166.173 states "(2) ...do not apply..." (c) "a person licensed to carry a concealed handgun"
and: (d) "a person authorized to possess a loaded firearm while in or on a public building or court facility under ORS 166.370.
So, what does ORS 166.370 say? Well read the exemption in 3(d): A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 (and ORS 166.292) to carry a concealed handgun.
So, here we have two DIFFERENT expemptions to ORS 166.173. (2)(c) and 2(d). If (2)(c) ONLY applies to a license issued under ORS 166.291 and ORS 166.292 Why is exemption 166.173(2)(d) needed?