Russian troop build up on the Ukrainian border ...

[The Heretic]

As Putin rages, some outsiders move closer to NATO

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s tough talk and threatening military buildup on Ukraine’s border could backfire and result in the one thing he says he doesn’t want: an expansion of NATO to more countries on Russia’s doorstep.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[GWS]

Nope.

"Sudetenland, sections of northern and western Bohemia and northern Moravia, in the vicinity of the Sudeten mountain ranges. The Sudetenland, which had a predominately German population, was incorporated into Czechoslovakia when that new nation's frontiers were drawn in 1918–19. The Sudeten and other Germans in Czechoslovakia numbered about 3,000,000 in the interwar period. Because of its German majority, the Sudetenland later became a major source of contention between Germany and Czechoslovakia..."
https://www.britannica.com/place/Sudetenland

I'll grant that Britannica supersedes Wikipedia

And I still say that Hitler's taking of Sudetenland was...illegal, an act of war.

 

[The Heretic]

Can Ukraine’s Budding Missile Arsenal Run Out Russia’s Invasion Clock?

KYIV, Ukraine — The window is swiftly closing on Moscow’s ability to launch a major offensive against Ukraine without the risk of Russian forces suffering a barrage of retaliatory precision missile strikes — both at sea and on land. In April, the Ukrainian military is slated to field its first...

coffeeordie.com

 

[The Heretic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/comments/rw8cc4

2021 Minsk apartment shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ura-Ki]

https://www.reddit.com/r/GunMemes/comments/rw8cc4

2021 Minsk apartment shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You use what ya got! At least he got one of them, who ever they are!

 

[The Heretic]

You use what ya got! At least he got one of them, who ever they are!

Belarus Secret Police/KGB

 

[DirectDrive]

Putie is a bully and it's nice to slap him around at every opportunity.
Time to send a couple of destroyers into the Black Sea for a little fishin' !

 

[wired]

The majority of people in the Crimea wanted to cede to Russia.

How soon we forget history. To the laugher...

Crimeans vote overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine, join Russia

U.S. and Europe condemn referendum as illegal; Ukraine's prime minister calls the vote "a circus"; an estimated 95 percent of voters chose to join Russia

www.cbsnews.com

 

[monkeybutler]

How soon we forget history. To the laugher...

Crimeans vote overwhelmingly to secede from Ukraine, join Russia

U.S. and Europe condemn referendum as illegal; Ukraine's prime minister calls the vote "a circus"; an estimated 95 percent of voters chose to join Russia

www.cbsnews.com

LOL. Yes do take that at face value.

I sure won't.

 

[Horatius]

I wonder if Putin pays by the month or by the post for propaganda?

 

[EHJ]

Russian History is complicated - and obvious.

Kill your television.

 

[Horatius]

Overlay all the historical empires not just when Russia was at its Zenith! Hell, I want the old
family ranch back but it was sold when I was a child. Russia shrank,,,deal with it.

 

[wired]

Overlay all the historical empires not just when Russia was at its Zenith! Hell, I want the old
family ranch back but it was sold when I was a child. Russia shrank,,,deal with it.

Take it back. You have guns.

 

[Horatius]

Take it back. You have guns.

It IS on my list if I ever get to be Emperor of the WORLD

 

[monkeybutler]

Take it back. You have guns.

We don't really approve of illegal seizure by force in America, comrade.

 

[wired]

We don't really approve of illegal seizure by force in America, comrade.

Hawaii..

Makes no sense huh.

 

[American123]

I wonder if Putin pays by the month or by the post for propaganda?

Probably not too different than by how the news media works in the US to overwhelmingly support 1 party and their agenda.

 

[American123]

Hawaii..

Makes no sense huh.

That's the dilemma isn't it. Since seemingly forever, migration and conquest was the method that served mankind acquiring new lands. To decry those methods happening today is basically to say, "well, we already got ours, and earlier than you, and now you don't get to get yours."

At the same time however, two wrongs don't make a right so just because some people got screwed over in the past doesn't mean it should be allowed to happen today for "fairness."

I've had discussions in the past about American expansion, colonization, American Indians, etc. Because it can be helpful to think about history in context and not in a vacuum. I was having a conservation with someone about Columbus and how the European migration to North America would eventually decimate American Indian populations. I acknowledged those facts, but also presented for consideration that although that was terrible for those American Indians, there would be no United States of America without that event. Fast forward to 1940. The United States is primarily the reason that Hitler and Japan didn't dominate the world. Now obviously we have a butterfly effect going on here because to imagine just blipping the U.S. out of existence and nothing else also changing historically would be of course incorrect. At some level though it can be argued that everything that brought the U.S. into existence, the good and the bad, ultimately also contributed to the U.S. being the principle player to prevent Hitler and Japan from dominating the world in 1940.

Anyway, I presented this concept to someone who was trying to talk about Columbus' role in history as a "mass murderer," (indirectly). I encouraged them to consider that the totality of events leading to the creation of the U.S. also allowed the U.S. to prevent Hitler from achieving world domination.

Long story short, we can't pick and choose with history and how things have happened. There have been groups of people and individuals who have gotten the better or worse side of things.

To tie this back to current events. If two groups of people have conflicting desires/goals and are willing to fight over them to achieve their desired result. How do we avoid what is seemingly the inevitable?

 

[wired]

That's the dilemma isn't it. Since seemingly forever, migration and conquest was the method that served mankind acquiring new lands. To decry those methods happening today is basically to say, "well, we already got ours, and earlier than you, and now you don't get to get yours."

At the same time however, two wrongs don't make a right so just because some people got screwed over in the past doesn't mean it should be allowed to happen today for "fairness."

I've had discussions in the past about American expansion, colonization, American Indians, etc. Because it can be helpful to think about history in context and not in a vacuum. I was having a conservation with someone about Columbus and how the European migration to North America would eventually decimate American Indian populations. I acknowledged those facts, but also presented for consideration that although that was terrible for those American Indians, there would be no United States of America without that event. Fast forward to 1940. The United States is primarily the reason that Hitler and Japan didn't dominate the world. Now obviously we have a butterfly effect going on here because to imagine just blipping the U.S. out of existence and nothing else also changing historically would be of course incorrect. At some level though it can be argued that everything that brought the U.S. into existence, the good and the bad, ultimately also contributed to the U.S. being the principle player to prevent Hitler and Japan from dominating the world in 1940.

Anyway, I presented this concept to someone who was trying to talk about Columbus' role in history as a "mass murderer," (indirectly). I encouraged them to consider that the totality of events leading to the creation of the U.S. also allowed the U.S. to prevent Hitler from achieving world domination.

Long story short, we can't pick and choose with history and how things have happened. There have been groups of people and individuals who have gotten the better or worse side of things.

To tie this back to current events. If two groups of people have conflicting desires/goals and are willing to fight over them to achieve their desired result. How do we avoid what is seemingly the inevitable?

Im more on the might makes right side myself. The Russians have their sphere of influence and the Ukrainians got Crimea by a recent accident of history. The Crimeans who are vast majority Russian and overwhelmingly wanted to go back into Russia . Let them have their self determination. If Russia is able to better administer the area and they are able to take it militarily with minimal effort as they did I have a hard time seeing how Ukraine can say they have a rock solid claim on the Crimea. The Russians are NOT giving it up. This is a fun discussion but yeah, they arent going anywhere.

 

[DirectDrive]

Agree, Putin has his "back porch" now and he ain't leavin'
"Now if those Amerikanskis and their fancy boats would just quit fishin' in my lake !"